Andy Coulson, Private Court Appearances and Contempt of Court Orders

The news broke yesterday that Andy Coulson, former bigwig at the News of the World, and latterly Director of Communications for the Prime Minister, had appeared in private at Glasgow Sheriff Court last Thursday on a charge of perjury. He made no plea or declaration and was released on bail.

Why Was His Case Dealt With In Private?

Before anyone suggests that Mr Coulson was receiving privileged treatment by having his case dealt with in private, that is in fact the required procedure for the first appearance on petition in a serious criminal case. These are always dealt with “in private”. That can mean in Sheriff’s chambers, or in a closed court, where only the Fiscal, defence agent and accused are present (along with the Sheriff and court and security staff).

The reports indicated that Mr Coulson was represented by the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates, Richard Keen QC. It is unusual to wheel out the “big guns” so early in a case like this, but sometimes “visitors” from England fail to appreciate that solicitors deal with such appearances every single day. So Mr Coulson is likely to have incurred a substantial cost for Mr Keen’s appearance (and even if he applied for and was granted Legal Aid – and there is no indication he did – the public purse would not be paying for Mr Keen’s undoubtedly excellent services).

Why Was the Matter Reported Yesterday and Not Last Week?

The matter was only reported yesterday because the Sheriff had made an order at the hearing on Thursday prohibiting publication of any details of the case, but Sheriff John McCormick (who one assumes was that Sheriff) lifted the order yesterday.

Obviously, as there are live criminal proceedings, comment on the matter should be restrained, but, as sometimes happens when a UK figure appears in court in Scotland, the coverage seems unusual to Scottish eyes.

Why Was the Coverage Unusual?

Simply because all of the online pieces I have seen about the matter are illustrated with pictures of Mr Coulson!

Why is this a problem?

In England rules regarding publication of photos of the accused are very different.

Because of the different rules applicable in Scotland, including that of “dock identification”, the law has been for many years that it is not permissible to publish the photograph of an accused person, referring to the case against them, whilst proceedings are active. This applies unless, in a very rare case, the judge permits such publication, as in the trial of Tommy Sheridan. Of course such publication occurred at the stage of the trial, rather than at the very start of the proceedings.

A judge might accede to requests from the media to permit publication of photographs where identification of the accused is not an issue in the case. Otherwise, photographs of an accused are not published until a verdict is reached, or, in jury cases, until the evidence is complete.

That may very well have happened here, but if so it seems to be an unnecessary dilution of Scottish procedures.

The purpose of the rule is to prevent evidence of witnesses as to identification of an accused being tainted by their having seen pictures of the accused linking them to the alleged offence.

The Law on Publication of Pictures of Accused Persons in Scotland

The matter is governed by the Contempt of Court Act 1981 and the law in Scotland has been explained in various cases.

In the Scottish Daily Record & Sunday Mail v Procurator Fiscal, Edinburgh [2009] HCJAC 24  the High Court reviewed the law on this matter in detail. The newspapers in question had been fined for contempt of court for publishing the picture, during the trial, of a well-known footballer charged with assault. The newspapers appealed against the finding of contempt, but were unsuccessful.

Lord Nimmo-Smith (a name well=known to the readers of this blog) delivered the court’s opinion, including a reference to various cases and particularly to HM Advocate v Caledonian Newspapers Ltd 1995 SCCR 330 which is considered to be the leading case concerning publication of pictures of an accused, and contempt.

In that case Lord Justice General Hope (as he then was) said the following:-

Had it not been for the publication of the photograph, we would have been able to hold that in this case … there was no breach of the strict liability rule. The question would then have been whether there was anything in the text that the course of justice in these proceedings would be seriously impeded or prejudiced.

“We do not agree with [counsel for the respondents] that the strict liability rule imposes a very high test in regard to a publication of the kind referred to in section 2 while the proceedings in question are active. In Attorney-General v English [1983] AC 116 at p142 Lord Diplock said that the words “substantial risk” were intended to exclude a risk that is only remote. In HM Advocate v News Group Newspapers Limited 1989 SCCR 156 at p161F Lord Justice-General Emslie said that there can be no contempt unless there is some risk, greater than a minimal one, that the proceedings would be seriously prejudiced. Nor can the publisher pray in aid steps which may be taken afterwards by the court to minimise the risk of prejudice resulting from a publication which would seriously impede or prejudice the proceedings if these steps were not taken. As Lord Diplock pointed out in the passage already quoted from his speech in Attorney-General v English, the public policy that underlines the strict liability rule is that of deterrence. The court must do what it can to minimise the risk of prejudice, because it is in the public interest that proceedings for the detection and punishment of crime should not be interrupted by the effect on the course of justice of publicity. The purpose of the rule is to make the taking of such steps unnecessary, by deterring the publication in the first place of anything which might create risk of such prejudice. The risk must be assessed at the time of the publication without regard to what may happen or may be done afterwards.

“The publication of the photograph … so close in time and place to the incident referred to in the petition in the charges of assault and robbery and of assault and attempted robbery, raises the question whether, when taken together with the article, this may have affected the position of witnesses.”

Consequently a contempt will be committed if the publication of the article is likely to affect the evidence of witnesses in the question of identification. In Atkins v London Weekend Television at page 53 Lord Justice-General Emslie accepted the proposition for the broadcasters that there is no hard and fast rule that the publication of the photograph of an accused person will always constitute contempt. He said that it will only do so when a question of identification has arisen or may arise and when the publication is calculated to prejudice the prospects of a fair trial: see also Attorney-General v Guardian Newspapers Ltd (No. 3) [1992] 1 WLR 874, per Mann LJ at p879H. The test, in regard to the strict liability rule under section 2 of the 1981 Act with which we are concerned in this case, is whether the publication of the photograph created a substantial risk that the course of justice in the proceedings would be seriously prejudiced.

“In a case where identification is not in issue, the publication of a photograph of the accused is unlikely to give rise to any risk of prejudice, because the evidence of witnesses will not be at risk of being affected by its publication. Nor will the jury be affected by it either, because it will not relate to any issue which they will have to decide. But where identification is or may be in issue the situation is entirely different. The publication of the photograph, linking the name of the accused to the offence with which he is charged, may assist witnesses in their identification of him as the perpetrator of it. The closer in time and place this is to the publication of the photograph, the greater the risk that this will occur. Similarly the publication of a photograph of the perpetrator in this way may affect the jury’s determination of the issue of identification at the trial. The closer the trial is to the date of the publication the greater will be the risk of this.” (Emphases added.)

Lord Nimmo Smith, after considering the submissions of counsel for the Daily Record & Sunday Mail concluded by saying:-

Where identification is in issue, publication of a photograph of the accused that gives rise to the possibility, not remote and greater than minimal, that it may affect the ability of a witness or witnesses to identify the accused, will constitute contempt of court within the meaning of section 2(2) of the 1981 Act.

“Fame, celebrity – its often tawdry modern counterpart – and notoriety all carry with them the possibility of recognition by members of the public. It may be that a person will be so well known that mere mention of his or her name may be expected to bring an image to the minds of the vast majority of members of the public. But such cases will be rare. We find it impossible to accept that there are categories of person, such as footballers, of whom it may be said, a priori and without other evidence, that they are “celebrities”, attracting instant recognition and recall both on and off the pitch, so that an exception can be made in respect of them without regard to the circumstances of any particular case. Recognition of a person is a notoriously subtle process, one which is best described by psychologists; but our own experience in the criminal courts justifies this description. It is common experience that one may fail to recognise a person, familiar in a particular context, when seen out of context. The only safe course, where identification is in issue, is not to publish any photograph or similar image of the accused, at least until a stage of the trial when there is no question of further identification evidence being given.

“In our opinion, the proper approach is that already well recognised in the Scottish cases, passages from which we have quoted above. There may be cases in which publication of the photograph of an accused person may not give rise to a risk of substantial prejudice, but such cases are likely to be rare; and we are satisfied that this is not one of them. In our view, therefore, treating the standard of proof as proof beyond reasonable doubt, the sheriff correctly held that the petitioners were in the circumstances in contempt of court by publishing the photograph…” (Emphases added)

So Did Any Media Outlets Break the Law?

Bearing in mind the nature of the case it seems highly unlikely that identification would be an issue, so whilst on one view the reports may be contrary to the Act, they might not actually amount to a contempt of court, as per the formulations described by the judges above.

It is possible that the media, as well as asking for the restriction on reporting the matter at all to be lifted, asked for permission from the Sheriff to print pictures. It would be interesting to see the reasoning for the request and for the Sheriff’s decision.

How Does a Journalist Know a Contempt of Court Act Order Has Been Made?

For some years now the Scottish Court website has published a list showing cases where orders restricting or preventing reporting of cases under the Contempt of Court Act have been made. Bizarrely, since the redesign of the site, the link to the list is dead. Therefore, despite being in the internet age, a prudent journalist would have to make enquiries of the Clerk of Court to ensure that they did not, inadvertently, breach reporting restrictions!

What About Publications Pre-Restrictions Which Could Be In Contempt If Published Now?

One further interesting point regarding contempt relates to the matter of publication. There are websites, this one included, which have given extensive coverage to the Sheridan case and its aftermath. It would almost certainly amount to a contempt for a website or newspaper to publish now a piece which would have been entirely legitimate and appropriate before Mr Coulson was arrested and charged. Some recent discussions about contempt of court have suggested that, in some way, a judge should be able to make an order “purging” the internet of items which might prejudice a fair trial.

I await with interest any news suggesting that, for example, James Doleman’s excellent Sheridan Trial Blog, or any posts here, or more likely any online media reports of the case have been ordered to be removed, and indeed whether, as matters proceed, the defence make such an application.

After all, it would almost certainly have been a defence motion to impose the reporting restrictions which the Sheriff granted last week.

So if this blog disappears, we know who to blame! (Only joking Mr Keen!)

Posted by Paul McConville

 

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297 responses to “Andy Coulson, Private Court Appearances and Contempt of Court Orders

  1. JohnBhoy

    What club would stoop so low as to take money from a charity? I thought it was supposed to be the other way around? Utterly contemptible. And what charity would accommodate such low life?

    • Ed Pàislig

      @JohnBhoy
      How dare you – it was evil Craig Whyte who did that, not Rangers!
      And look at todays papers – there’s a lovely picture of young Chris Hegarty handing a big cardboard cheque for £35,000 to a soldier for some military charity I’ve never heard of. Come to think of it, the soldier’s uniform was a bit unusual looking and he had remarkably big ‘ands.
      Naw, I’m just being way too cynical!

    • david

      Thought this blog was about Andy Coulson?
      Never knew he had anything to do with Rangers.
      Mr McConville could post about the Punic Wars and the first response would be that Hannibal looks remarkably like Charles Green.

      BTW if charity money was taken, that is beneath contempt.

      • JohnBhoy

        I thought the last blog was about Going To Court? Can’t recall one post that you issued that was germane to the previous topic: “If any of you Tims can answer this quiz correctly in full you can have a week at my place in Malta”, “maryhill in the lower leagues”, “ten-names in Donegal”, Hugh Dallas’ favourite colour, visit to St Andrew’s University, religion, etc. Not that your posts were unwelcome David, but they failed your test of relevance. Happy to abide by the rule that comments be related to the main discussion, if others, including yourself, adhere to that condition.

        Wrt to charity money… I don’t know the legality of a charity giving proceeds to a commercial company – I’ll leave it to Paul to clarify the legal position, though I have difficulty accepting that such a transaction would represent a public good – but if it has occurred then in my opinion it is immoral and ought to be condemned.

        • david

          Well at least the posts were variations on the well trodden themes on this site which should read
          RANGERS ARE DEAD
          REASONS WHY I HATE RANGERS
          RANGERS ARE CROOKS
          RANGERS SUPPORTERS ARE ZOMBIES
          RANGERS ISSUES CONSTITUTE 99% OF ALL LEGAL ISSUES IN SCOTLAND
          RANGERS SUPPORTERS ARE IDIOTS WHILE I AM AN INTELLIGENT CHARITABLE NON-LAW BREAKING PERSONABLE CELTIC FAN!
          DO YOU AGREE RANGERS ARE SCUM?
          DO YOU CONFORM TO THE MORAL AND INTELLIGENCE SUPERIORITY OF THE CELTIC FAN?
          CAN YOU OBSESS ABOUT RANGERS DOWNFALL FOR 8 HOURS A DAY?

          OR ANY VARIATION THEREOF.

          ISNT THERE MORE TO TALK ABOUT??????????????

          • Monti

            @David,at least that rules me out then. 🙂

          • JohnBhoy

            David, you forgot:

            – Liquidaton Means The End Of Rangers
            – UEFA Confirm Rangers Are Dead
            – The BBC Stick By Legal Opinion: Rangers Are Dead
            – Rangers Are Dead Again Lol
            – You Didn’t Do Walking Away but SDM Did
            – You Didn’t Do Walking Away but GREIG Did
            – You Didn’t Do Walking Away but WALTER Did
            – You Didn’t Do Walking Away but CRAIG Did
            – You Didn’t Do Walking Away but CHARLIE Did
            – Rangers And Their Anti-Catholic Signing Past
            – Rangers Fans And Rioting – A Beginner’s Guide
            – Rangers Fans And Sectarian Singing – A Guide To Groupwork
            – Rangers And How To Spend Big Using Taxpayer’s Money
            – Rangers: Charity Begins At The Big Hoose
            – Rangers: AN EBT TO SPORTING INTEGRITY
            – Rangers: How To Win Tainted Titles
            – F****ing Creditors The Rangers Way
            – Rangers: A Fighting Guide To Manchester
            – Rangers’ 15 Minute Guide To Succulent Lamb
            – Jabba: Get Me Outta Here!
            – The Rangers Story In Audio By Craigie Bhoy
            – Ally Ate My Hamster!
            – Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Taxman
            – Rangers: A Story in Two Corpses
            – Rangers: Eats, Shoots Itself and Leaves.
            – Charlotte and Rangers: A Modern Love Story
            – Rangers: The Comedy That Keeps Giving
            – Rangers: We Fought The Law and The Law Won
            – The Insolvency Act 1986 Doesn’t Mention Rangers!
            – SDM: One CEO Down
            – Craig: Another CEO Down
            – Charlie: Yet another CEO Down
            – Rangers: How to Lose CEOs – As Easy As 1, 2, 3
            – Rangers Director Singing About Being Knee Deep in Fenion Blood
            – Rangers CEO Fined for Racist Comment
            – Rangers: How to Investigate Yourself
            – The Art of Investigating Without Investigating (At Great Expense)
            – Spend! Spend! Spend! A Guide To Insolvency
            – When Is A Long-Term Signing A Trialist? When He’s A Ranger!
            – Rangers: How To Jump The Membership Queue

            • david

              -ALLY MCCOIST IS A VAMPIRE!
              -WALTER SMITH ROBBED THE BANCO AMBROSIANO WITH CALVI!
              – CHARLES GREEN IS A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF ATTILA THE HUN!
              -BILL STRUTH SHOT THE ARCHDUKE FERDINAND!
              – MOSES MCNEIL WAS A GERMAN SPY!

              Keep going, there is obviously nothing else worth talking about.

            • JohnBhoy

              Thanks David. Blood sucking Ally is old hat but the Bill Struth line is interesting.

            • Gortnamona

              Well Done JohnBhoy
              A Herculean Effort

            • Maggie

              @JohnBhoy
              “Ally ate my hamster” ……….. and my guinea pig,and my gerbil,and my pot bellied pig as starters then moved onto Jim Bhoy’s snow leopards
              🙂
              A small point JB,in the category Rangers’ Fans And Rioting,surely that should be An Experts’ Guide.

            • JohnBhoy

              Maggie:

              Ally Ate Jabba lol

          • Jamie

            Rangers are deid they died, expired ceased to exist get over it. I hate Sevco because of what that institution stands for now and in it’s previous existence. Sevco are crooks because they stiffed just about everyone, sevco supporters are zombies, they look like zombies, act like zombies, therefore are zombies. At the moment sevco’s issues are high on most folks agenda, this will cease when they payback every penny they stole from the public purse and small businesses that suffered because of their crookedness….or alternatively Dallas comes back on the telly (no not him).

            I agree that sevco supporters are idiots especially said trolls who are in here defending a defunct institution when everyone knows it’s deid. There are a number of intelligent astute posters of a celtic persuasion. In terms of morality and intelligence I again concur with your view that Celtic supporters are by nature, charitable law abiding citizens who can get on with anyone (except zombies). Anyone supporting Sevco is by definition an idiot…..Scum is such a harsh word to describe a follower of the deid club….I prefer deluded, unstable or unhinged.

            Maybe the obsession would be less if your masters were a bit repentant and your followers stopped bleating about their sense of entitlement…..but until then I’ll keep on keeping on….Have a nice day!

          • portpower

            @david.
            There is no hours for nothing there.

      • Monti

        There is no IF David, they have stolen charity money,how can they sleep at night?

      • Monti

        David you can’t criticize someone for posting something other than the blog subject,when you do it yourself?
        Come on noo!

        • david

          Considering EVERY blog is a tiresome I HATE RANGERS diatribe I try to post some balance or get some interesting subject.
          If you look at my posts you will see that I am an arch-critic of Rangers.
          They behaved disgracefully and are a phoenix club.

          But it really is tiresome.
          If that constitutes your daily thoughts, go for it, but it a saddo lifestyle.
          And it reveals a deep insecurity and fear which should be confined to the bin of History.
          Every little bit of information is flogged to death and discussed to the tiniest details and every crazy explanation postulated.
          Lunacy is common.

          As Ive said before, lifes too short.
          Lets move on and jointly build a better Country, preferably independent.
          All religions welcome.
          Just love your Country and your fellow Scots.

      • portpower

        They are the The david.

    • portpower

      We all though it was a company.

  2. Monti

    Johnbhoy, It is truly disgusting isn’t it?
    Dignity?

    • JohnBhoy

      Monti, some clubs are beneath contempt. If true, this really is the pits. I’m sure many of their fans will be outraged. If Celtic took money from charity then I would disown them, immediately. Many fans, from all clubs, are not the richest people on this earth but give generously. There use to be two old ladies who stood outside Marks on Saturdays: one from the Salvation Army and the other a nun. I always gave the same amount to both and wished them well. If I thought my money was going to a bloody professional football club I would not be a happy bunny. Charity is sacrosanct and should be for those in need, not for commercial enterprises even if they are in the entertainment business.

      • Ed Pàislig

        Rangers FC took 62% of the proceeds from that “charity fundraiser match”. Thats about £350k. Yes Rangers will have had costs of say £75k at most. But even so, that is a lot of charity funds being snatched by a commercial company.
        An average OSCR investigation takes 9 months to conclude. That would have been Dec 2012. Yet the investigation continues. Have “public interest” considerations intervened again?
        Remember that charity trustees can be held personally liable for loss of charitable funds.
        In any case, this is another episode in the Rangers catalogue of shame.

      • Monti

        the the rangers are definitely in the entertainment business…..COMEDY SECTION! 😀

      • BB

        What if they fleeced the glasgow taxpayer?……..

      • BB

        You say if then condemn them as charged. The regan way. So what about this threeco state aid stuff seen as your finger’s on society’s moral pulse?

      • coatbrigbhoy

        I am just as sure Many of their fans will NOT be outraged, in fact i believe that many of them like Niall Walker that defends, no matter what, RFC/Sevco will fail to see any reason to be outraged, his attitude on the previous blog is astounding, he sees no difference in someone robbing a charity or robbing something else,
        RFC needed money, They are Rangers, so they can just do a deal to help themselves to the money, anyone with a moral compass, anyone that is outraged by the actions of this vile club, will just be labelled a hater and will be put on Ze List for future reprisals

        • Niall Walker

          @coatbrig,

          Kindly use your moral compass and explain to me the difference, this is now the 3rd time I have requested such information.

          • Monti

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • coatbrigbhoy

            if you don’t know by now you will never know, why not just fake that you know the same way you fake being DEAF, low life scum that you are,

            ARB requested you look up the FTTT, what was/is your response to
            that ?yet you think people on here should do your biding,
            your the self confessed liar on here, why not just carry on with whatever warped agenda you need to run into the blog today

            your a fake East Fife fan that faked a disability on a blog, how pathetic do you need to be to do this sort of thing?

            • Niall Walker

              @coatbrig

              Good evening my friend, you seem a tad stressed, try ommmmm……ommmm……ommmmm.

              ” ARB requested you look up the FTTT, what was/is your response to
              that ? ”

              I told him to look it up himself, he brought it up as evidence not me, why should I wade through 145 pages to find his evidence ?

              Since he claims it is in there he should have no problems finding it, are you feeling unwell ?

      • Monti

        Some yes, but there is one in particular 🙂

  3. JohnBhoy

    Giving To Charity The Celtic Way

    Here’s how football and charity works, the Celtic Way: http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=4151.

  4. Monti

    Morning Paul,
    Welcome back to the nut house, there’s a few heeders on here eh?….:) ….ahem.

  5. Ed Pàislig

    Hooray! Paul is still alive cam, and this blog has nothing at all to do with THAT club. I was worried about Paul given the enemies he must have made over the last few years. It’s OK, no need to call on the resurrectionists (the Rangers fans are the masters in that field).

    I think we have seen plenty of pictures of the smug faces of Andy Coulson and Rebekah Wade over the last few years. What would be the sentence for perjury in the Sheridan case? After Jonathan Aitken and Jeffrey Archer we are surely looking at 18 months.
    Never mind Andy, Jonathan Aitken studied divinity and has commited himself to penal reform. Chris Huhne said his prison experience was “fascinating”. It is quite clearly a life enhancing experience – as long as you are sent to a nice open prison and not Bar-L.

  6. cam

    Absolutely disgraceful.Shocking.One of the most callous cases of contempt for your fellow bampot i have ever witnessed.
    Takes a whole week off,allows maniacs to clatter unhindered and then saunters back without so much a word of explanation to the loonballs who have helped make him Coatbridges most famous lawyer.
    There we were,talking premium grade mince,coasting along to the magic 1690 comment mark,mick warming up to allege wrongdoing by lawlords,the polis about to swoop in at any moment,dawn raids,doors being kicked in,Monti’s back door hanging in tatters.
    Now to address the main point up for ridicule.
    Once the court case begins and Craigie has taken the oath,will the jury be dismissed due to not being able to stop laughing?
    Will the person responsible for leaking the Charlotte stuff be charged?
    In Scotland you get to face your accuser,,,c’mon RTC and Charlotte,,,step out of the closet.
    Tell us where you obtained the documents.Tell us the real reasons you’re displaying them on the internet.
    OBJECTION! M’lud
    Over ruled,,,,please continue Cam,but get to your point quickly.

    • barcabuster

      @Cam
      “And do you, Bomber Brown, swear to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth?”.

      Aye! Al tell ye ra troof awrite!

      “In your experience Mr Bomber, Would you say, in your own words, that a culture of “messenger assassination” was prevelant amongst the then Rangers support?”.

      Too rite man! Aw ah sais wiz yewz buy ra pies ‘n ray aw went pure mental! ….Ra funny fing wiz, ray knew ray boat ra pies, but ray just didnae want tae hear it.! ….A honestly foat ray wiz gonnae pan ma melt in……A wiz pure deid lucky rat Chicco wiz movin oot his safe hoose rat week-end, an he wiz nae sooner oot, an a wiz in! It was deid crowded tae! Full o’ newspaper n telly guys rat we used tae be pals wi. We couldnae even get a paper tae fun oot ra score coz wee Pattel wouldnae gie us any mer tick.

      “No further questions m’lud.”

    • tiredofallthisrubbish

      Coatbridge’s most famous lawyer.

    • portpower

      OBJECTION! M’lud, Double bubble.

  7. portpower

    NEWS?
    new excuse we sin.

    • cam

      You have the bong lit up early this morning,,,some people call you the space cowboy,some folk call you the gangsta of tosh

      • Ed Pàislig

        @cam
        I’ve written to OSCR today to ask why the investigation of the Rangers Charity Foundation is taking months longer than their published KPI target of 9 months. I will accuse them of dragging their feet because they are worried that Morag will drive to their Dundee waterfront HQ and chastise them playfully a la Charles Saatchi.

        What do you think of the RCF transferring £350k of charitable funds to Rangers FC. That was all Craigy’s fault too?

        • cam

          You knock yourself out Tedward,if you want to believe the clatterings of a loonball then charge on, my obsessed cyberpal.
          When Whyte was in charge he was responsible for everything,clip art,taping,Arsenal shares,non payment of NI and PAYE,Ticketus form filling etc.
          I find you in contempt of the blog and sentence you to read Downfall in Gaelic.

          • c’mon cam, you can’t blame Craigy Bhoy for the Swedish & Slovakian humiliations. That was the entirely down to the chuckle bros, you ken who am talking about. They like a sing song in the local kebab shop.
            McCoist & Durrant’s fCukup sent wee Craigy down the Ticketus road & landed us with the madness that is this blog 🙂

      • portpower

        Grateful dead, lit and now zombies or don`t you know. Memo on the forehead cam. Green and White.

  8. cam

    Tedward,you will like this.The ex social worker in Donegal will also appreciate it.
    Maslow;The Gallowgate version.
    http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2013/06/maslows-hierarchy-of-needs-croupdate.html

  9. mick

    bong for breakfast so last century haven’t yous heard of a slinkie lol Glasgow invention lol sold world wide lol a prefer corn flakes lol

    • cam

      No toxins enter my temple of a body,,,apart from a celebratory beer when we slay Hector and Celtic’s lawyer.

      • Ed Pàislig

        Did you see the BBC statement cam – the club and corporate entity which owns the club are indistinguishable. Who can doubt the integrity and wisdom of the greatest news broadcaster on the planet.
        As for Stewart Regan’s august body, the SFA…….

        I can sense all the forces of evil converging to protect Sevco in some misguided notion of public interest (keep the redneck youths of our streets). However, wee Craigy will not go away because he is motivated by pure naked greed. He is your nemesis.

        • cam

          Thats good Ted,i’m so happy for you.You bhoys do need a warm hand to guide you in these dark times.
          Remember Eco rambling on about pillaging hordes rampaging through the streets?campaigns of terror?,,,what actually happened?,,,some folk marched along the Queen’s highway in a jovial manner and ended up at Hampden when it was shut.
          Craigie can come ahead.We’re Ready for him.
          Gotta go now Ted and do the garden.The Rangers shoots of recovery are unstoppable Ted.Mother Nature is a bluenose!

          • Gortnamona

            “some folk marched along the Queen’s highway in a jovial manner and ended up at Hampden when it was shut.”

            The ‘Good Old Trigger’ mentality, open 24 hours a day, but not at night.

          • Ed Pàislig

            Watch out for those orange lillies cam – they can leave a horrible stain on you that just won’t wash away. Enjoy your gardening cyberbuddie.

      • Cam you would not have drunk much beer then, winning on appeal 43 out 83 EBT cases does not seem a cause for celebration, and I assume your reference to Celtic lawyers applies to Lord Nimmo case in which Oldco were found guilty on all charges

    • Monti

      Get the Cypress Hill Black Sunday album blasting m8, kick back & envisage Craig Whyte unfurling the league flag,then heading back towards the tunnel eating a large bowl of Lime Jelly & Vanilla ice cream….can you imagine the ovation the man would receive? 🙂

  10. coatbrigbhoy

    http://www.oscr.org.uk/

    http://www.oscr.org.uk/managing-your-charity/charity-accounting/

    Dear Sir Madam
    It has recently come to my attention that………………………………………

  11. Monti

    62% of a CHARITY match takings ?
    Is this TRUE?
    Oh dear. :-/

  12. See the scottish football league fixtures have been issued,anyone excited,
    Just doesn’t get the juices flowing,as the old hen said,to me last night,and that had nothing to do with the fixtures.

    • Monti

      Jimmy can’t wait my friend, see the league flag unfurled, Balde hat trick v Ross county, Qualify for the Champions league group stages & draw Sevco at home in both the cups!
      Life is good.
      I’m going to give a little more than usual to charities today. 😉

  13. cam

    You see Paul,what have you created?
    You put up a blog on court related matters and the obsessed hijack it, and clatter about gossip.
    Look on thy work and despair.

    • cam….your musings on Coulson? 🙂

      • cam

        He’s one of these guys who earn a living by opening and closing his gub and in the process emits little shite briquettes.
        He creates nothing,contributes nothing,is/was involved in journalism which is on a par with law,estate agents and politicians, as a blight on my universe.
        Give him a fair trial and then hang him in the morning.
        NOTW and the Tories in is CV,,,can’t get much lower.
        What a job i’ve made of the garden!,,,god bless Maggie Thatcher for the right to buy.

    • Yes,it will be the same again cam, yer dead,no were not,aye ye are no we are not. Then Niall will come on,and it will all fall to pieces.
      Time to get fresh air and a kick about with the grand weans,enjoy.

      • Monti

        It won’t be ‘the same’ from me though, I’m a good bhoy now! ……ahem. 🙂

      • Niall Walker

        ” Then Niall will come on,and it will all fall to pieces.”
        @Jimmy

        I have printed out 145 pages of the fttt and added them to the 300 odd pages of Charlotte Fakes, if you hang upside down there is a code hidden in the text and I believe it is a mixture of Irish Gaelic and Latin, apart from numerous references to lizards I cannot make head nor tail of it.

        Anyway it proves beyond any doubt Rangers are dead.

    • Stevie

      Monti would cause a riot in the soon to be segregated stand at Porkheid.
      Well that is of course if he knows how to get there without his carer.
      I for one am glad that the blog shepherd has returned to watch over his sheep. This could be interesting stuff Cam. Can’t wait to see if Baldrick’s favourite vegetable has a dramatic change of tact regarding his behaviour on here. I can just picture him sitting in a corner with his undercracker’s over his head,pencil’s up each nostril and returning to copy and paste. Wibble,wibble, Monti.

      • Monti

        Nice try Stevie, but I have absolutely no will or desire to let my standards slip, nice try though.
        I was a season ticket for many years at Celtic park, having a young family now it is more difficuilt to get to games on a regular basis, due to cost & priorities, it’s the same for thousands of families across the country,is it not?
        What do you feel about your club stealing from charity?

        • willy wonka

          ” I was a season ticket for many years at Celtic park, having a young family now it is more difficuilt to get to games on a regular basis.”
          That old one ? Haw haw.
          The population of Scotland must be exploding given the number of empty seats over at Porkheid.
          Lol.

          • Monti

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

            Remember our season tickets are significantly more EXPENSIVE than a season ticket at the Asbestos dome.
            Ask anyone else on here who has a family how difficult it is juggling bills, feeding your family & going to the football.
            You need to calm down Stevie, you won’t get the reaction your looking for,ok son.

        • JohnBhoy

          Monti, I go to every home game and some games abroad. ST holder. You are there in spirit beside me. A four leaf clover on my breast, the green and white upon my chest, it’s such a joy..

  14. mcfc

    I was checking out the UEFA coefficients page yesterday to see how City had done – expecting the worst given our poor (as in piss) showing this season. To my surprise we held our position – but hang on – so did 446 of the 450 clubs listed – not exactly a dynamic index. You will no doubt want to know who the movers were. .. .

    Well, Chelsea leapfrogged Real Madrid and Portsmouth leapfrogged Rangers. So that would mean that coming dead last in Div One (English) is worth more UEFA points than winning Div Three (Scottish).

    http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html erm – that would mean coming

    It’s also notable that Portsmouth and Rangers are two of the very few clubs that don’t have a link to their UEFA club page. But a bit of hunting found the Rangers page – which strangely was last updated 26/01/2011 – So that would mean . . .

    http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/profile/index.html

  15. JohnBhoy

    GIVING, not taking: The Celtic Way

    Celtic donate to Glasgow Taxis’ Outing Fund: http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=4159.

  16. Monti

    Celtic have donated 7,000 towards the kids ‘taxi day out in Glasgow’…this gesture by our great club towards the kids having a great day out, has over the last few years taken the total to well over £100,000.
    Touch of class Celtic, well done.

    The rangers have donated some money as well but they insisted the taxi drivers kept the meter running and asked for 62% of the fare to be sent to Ibrox, plus tax & vat to be deducted. 🙂

    • willy wonka

      ” The Rangers Charity Foundation (Scottish Charity Number SC033287) exists to bring Club, supporters, staff and players together in a unique way to help make the world of difference to thousands of lives through a range of charitable work. Being a champion of charitable giving is our goal, and since our creation in 2002 we have donated over £1.2 million in cash awards and over £1.7 million of in-kind support to hundreds of groups and individuals, making a combined total of over £2.9 million.”

      • Monti

        I thought ‘your creation’ was 2012?

      • Monti

        Just think how much more you could have given to charity if the EBT scheme didn’t happen £47m was it…tut tut!

      • JohnBhoy

        Willy that’s commendable but can you now give a detailed breakdown of how much Rangers have taken from The Rangers Charitable Foundation?

      • Jamie

        aye it brings them together in a unique way alright! theiving barstewards

      • Ed Pàislig

        @Willy
        You are a stickler for facts and figures and precise language. We don’t know how much the RCF actually raised in donations – if a charity takes in £2M and gives only £1M to good causes then it needs to be investigated. RCF has been caught supporting a commercial organisation with charity funds – that is a serious matter because it undermines public confidence in all charities.

        • willy wonka

          Ed – why not do what your mob usually do and write to somebody asking for a full police and public enquiry into the matter ?
          When they come back telling you you’re deluded and obsessive and your complaint is spurious at best and malicious at worst, you can add them to the endless list of folk involved in the “great conspiracy”.
          You never know, the guy who writes back might just be a Freemason and give ten-names something else to write about.
          Lol.

  17. Raymilland

    @Niall Walker & willy wonka

    Common logic would dictate that BDO and HMRC shall take whichever route best serves their purpose and that would include pursuit of the individuals involved.

    Click to access TC02372.pdf

    It is a matter of record that BDO is also studying the above court decision. HMRC and BDO shall work in tandem in the interest of the creditors.

    HMRC have unfinished work in respect to dismantling the credibility of the trust fund used to pay beneficiaries employed at Ibrox. If you care to read the attached document you will find criticism of the structure and administration of the trust fund used for the loans.

    I am certain the Appeal will continue in the same direction in respect to demonstration of the poor integrity of the trust fund set up for the purpose of the loans.

    Willy; I can find no reference to Neil Patey in the court decision, perhaps Murray intends to call him as an expert witness 😉

    • willy wonka

      Thanks for the link Ray. Another poster beat you to it in the thread we were on. Cheers.
      “Common logic” ? That’s YOUR opinion. Not from HMRC or BDO.
      HMRC and BDO , if they feel they are due money will be calling at Murrays door. Not at Ibrox.
      HMRC have lost the first round. They will lose the second one too. Without a “victory”, where does that leave BDO ?
      As for Patey , aye, he’s just a guy off the street who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Lol.

      • willy wonka

        One more thing Ray – the lengthy quote you posted on the other thread, where did it come from ?
        I, admittedly very quickly, scanned through the FTTT decision and don’t see it there.
        Was that where it came from ?

        • Raymilland

          @willy wonka

          I’m not sure which quote you mean. The only quotation marks denote the opinion of NW.

          Murray’s trust fund is not safe from BDO; be afraid….
          be very afraid.

          I’ll sign off as Neil Patey

          Aye yours

          • willy wonka

            @ray , this one –
            ” The above employees are no longer such due to the insolvency event at RFC; an issue which would alter the dynamics of your argument.

            The majority of beneficiaries of the EBT’s are ex employees of a company in liquidation. With the creditors best interest in mind; BDO would be obliged to pursue the loans which are said by the court to be recoverable.

            Firstly; HMRC would in their case, against the Murray Group, prioritise dismantling the integrity of the trust set up on behalf of the former employees at Ibrox. There is already evidence of the lax manner in which the trust was maintained. HMRC would benefit the creditors by establishing the covert and bogus nature of the trust.

            In so dismantling the legitimacy of the trust fund in itself would open the door to BDO to pursue recovery of funds via legal action against MIH. The credibility of the book keeping and diversion of funds through the trust should be challenged in court. I would suggest that the trust fund is not impenetrable from an approach from BDO on behalf of the creditors; especially with RFC being a member company of MIH with the highest proportion of beneficiaries of the trust.

            Depending on the outcome of the HMRC action; BDO would identify liability of the recoverable losses on behalf of the creditors; that would either be in the form of recovery of the entirety of each loan or the proportionate portion of tax and NIC plus additional fines (in the event HMRC successfully pursue the Murray Group).

            It is unlikely that the beneficiaries of the loans would comply given the nature of the side letters issued to each employee; in this circumstance the courts would be obliged to take action over the recovery of each loan under the terms of the side letters.”

            • Raymilland

              @willy wonka

              You mean this one.

              Take note of the extent of quotation; its all attributed to NW’s comments.

              @NW

              AHEM………..

              ========================================================
              “I have no need to read the FTTT , there is no HMRC policy to pursue employees with EBTs and there is a policy that prevents them from pursuing both employer and employee, that is all I need to know.”
              ========================================================
              The above employees are no longer such due to the insolvency event at RFC; an issue which would alter the dynamics of your argument.

              The majority of beneficiaries of the EBT’s are ex employees of a company in liquidation. With the creditors best interest in mind; BDO would be obliged to pursue the loans which are said by the court to be recoverable.

              Firstly; HMRC would in their case, against the Murray Group, prioritise dismantling the integrity of the trust set up on behalf of the former employees at Ibrox. There is already evidence of the lax manner in which the trust was maintained. HMRC would benefit the creditors by establishing the covert and bogus nature of the trust.

              In so dismantling the legitimacy of the trust fund in itself would open the door to BDO to pursue recovery of funds via legal action against MIH. The credibility of the book keeping and diversion of funds through the trust should be challenged in court. I would suggest that the trust fund is not impenetrable from an approach from BDO on behalf of the creditors; especially with RFC being a member company of MIH with the highest proportion of beneficiaries of the trust.

              Depending on the outcome of the HMRC action; BDO would identify liability of the recoverable losses on behalf of the creditors; that would either be in the form of recovery of the entirety of each loan or the proportionate portion of tax and NIC plus additional fines (in the event HMRC successfully pursue the Murray Group).

              It is unlikely that the beneficiaries of the loans would comply given the nature of the side letters issued to each employee; in this circumstance the courts would be obliged to take action over the recovery of each loan under the terms of the side letters.

    • Niall Walker

      @Ray

      ” Common logic would dictate that BDO and HMRC shall take whichever route best serves their purpose and that would include pursuit of the individuals involved.”

      I agree the Law is based on logic, the problem with your logic is it contradicts logic, it seems to me you cannot take legal action against MIH and/or its directors to make them liable, and then use this legal judgement to make the employees liable.
      HMRC have a policy that if they pursue employees they cannot pursue the employer, it seems logical to me that the reverse would apply, either one or the other is legally liable, they cannot be both liable. If they were the case would have included them in its remit.

      So for your potential doomsday scenario to pan out,the following must occur:

      HMRC must win their appeal.
      HMRC must pursue MIH and/or its directors for the debt.
      HMRC must then pursue the employees for the balance.
      Employees make a claim to SFA it is a footballing debt and they must agree.
      TRFC must pay the balance.

      Lot of imponderables, least of all transferring an employer’s liability onto an employee, and the SFA agreeing a contractual loan is wage related.

      • Raymilland

        @NW

        Perhaps you could clarify for me; would the sum total of each ‘loan’ represent the same amount of tax/NIC sought per ‘loan’; or is the tax proportionate to the sum of each ‘loan’?

      • willy wonka

        Ray. I understand now. You were stating an opinion.
        The way it appeared in the thread I thought your were trying to pass it off as an extract from the FTTT decision.
        Understood. It’s an “opinion”.
        Thanks again.

        • Raymilland

          @willy wonka

          IMHO; yup!

          My post must have carried a bit of authority then?

          We can opine all day and all night………

          In fact that’s what some do on here 24/7

          • cam

            Raymondo,HMRC are just gonna have to accept their thrashing at the FTTT.They left their back door open to the EBT scheme used by many firms and got a damn good rogering for their troubles.
            Hector should pull up his breeks,rub his cheeks and start all over again.
            Its Celtic’s corporation tax we’ve moved onto now.

          • @gort… had a glorious 48 miles on the bike this afternoon. sometimes football & this Sevco malarky seem like a complete irrelevance, “sometimes”… 😉

            • Gortnamona

              Mac
              Perfect weather, set off today to do 5 miles and finished up doing 25 around Cavan/Monaghan border, will try to get in a long run at the weekend. As you say infinitely better than reading the Walker’s interminable drivel (which I don’t) or trying to decipher Cam’s increasingly confused rambling prose (which I don’t). Long may it last.

  18. arb urns

    Dunfermline’s debt to ‘staff’ is being classed as a ‘footballing debt’ by the administrators.

    • willy wonka

      “Wages ” . Not loans. Logical.

    • Niall Walker

      @arb

      Since ” footballing debt ” is an SFA criteria, I am rather surprised the administrators classed any debt using this terminology, are you sure now ?

      • Raymilland

        @NW

        Liquidation of football clubs was once rare.

        A ‘footballing debt’ has become common parlance for a debt which must be repaid above all others if the club is to continue participation of the sport.

        The criterion of the administrators includes recovery of debt; the above term would soon identify which debt is most likely to be recovered.

        What is so unusual?

        • Niall Walker

          @Ray

          ” A ‘footballing debt’ has become common parlance for a debt which must be repaid above all others if the club is to continue participation of the sport.”

          An administrator prioritizes creditors and debts on a completely different criteria, and there is no way ” footballing debts ” must be repaid above all others. The footballing debts must be paid by the new owner if they wish to participate in football, I would be surprised if the administrator quantified footballing debts.

          “The criterion of the administrators includes recovery of debt; the above term would soon identify which debt is most likely to be recovered.”

          This is actually inaccurate, the administrator cannot remove non-preferred creditors or debts from the credit pot, the debt would remain and any post liquidation payment of this debt would have nothing to do with the administrator, he does not operate within any football rules, only the Insolvency Act.

          It is exceptionally unusual in my expert opinion.

          • Raymilland

            @NW

            “A ‘footballing debt’ has become common parlance for a debt which must be repaid above all others if the club is to continue participation of the sport.”

            The above statement is 100% accurate.

            Creditors who are characteristically preferred creditors are:
            employees and revenue authorities; in other words…….

            FOOTBALLING DEBTS

            No pay football player or tax man = no play football.

            You’re beginning to disappoint me.

            • Niall Walker

              ” Creditors who are characteristically preferred creditors are: employees and revenue authorities; in other words…….”

              Preferred creditors rarely see any money, all the money usually goes to the secured creditors, which tend to be banks and floating charge holders.

              I may disappoint you but this still does not make your statement accurate, any money paid to the administrator toward footballing debts would go to the secured creditors, they simply have no priority over secured debts.

              An administrator cannot just declare an unpaid transfer fee as a preferred creditor because it is a footballing debt.

              Care to show me the Dunfermline link where you got your false information from ?

            • Raymilland

              @NW
              ==========================================================
              “An administrator cannot just declare an unpaid transfer fee as a preferred creditor because it is a footballing debt.”
              ==========================================================
              Even football debts have to be prioritised;
              ‘the tax man’
              ‘employees’

              ‘transfer fees’ would be at the bottom of the list.

              Preferential creditors (otherwise known as preferred creditor) have priority over secured creditors whose security is in the nature of a floating charge, but creditors with fixed security take ahead of the preferential creditors generally.

              preferential
              Adj
              If you get preferential treatment, you are treated better than other people and therefore have an advantage over them.
              ==========================================================
              ordinary creditor
              noun [

              Definition
              a person or business that is among the last to get money that they are owed by a bankrupt company, and who may get less than other creditors, or nothing at all:

            • Raymilland

              @NW

              A Secured creditor has other means of settlement via negotiation of the held assets via a potential purchaser.

              Secured creditors can enforce security against the assets of the debtor and avoid competing for a distribution on liquidation with the unsecured creditors.

              Separately, the preferred creditor would be given priority of share of the ‘credit pot’.

              The Insolvency Act would recognise debt to employees (football players/ staff) and revenue authorities (HMRC) as preferred creditors’ status; both of which would qualify as a common footballing debt.

              None of the above preferred creditors would be omitted from a share of the ‘credit pot’

              You are wrong when you imply that any footballing debt would require to be settled post liquidation; as explained above, certain footballing debt would be considered by the administrators to be a priority.

              If any insolvent club is to continue in the business of football; it should first settle the above footballing debt.

              The SFA shall be compelled to withdraw the relevant license of any club which fails to repay all identified footballing debts. It would appear that the SFA await the conclusion of the HMRC action prior to administering the rules of the sport.

              Any outstanding transfer fees would require to be addressed by any purchaser of an insolvent football club.

              I think we would all agree that when it comes to liquidation of a football club; that process is ‘exceptionally unusual’ compared with other types of business.

              Do you wish to review your “expert opinion”?

  19. willy wonka

    To other matters –
    ” St Mirren skipper Jim Goodwin says the decision to allow Celtic to postpone their second league game of the new term against the Buddies is “ridiculous”.

    The Scottish champions were due to host Danny Lennon’s Saints at Celtic Park on August 10 a week after the new Scottish Professional Football League kicks off.

    But the Glasgow giants have been given permission to cancel the fixture so they can instead face Liverpool in a money-spinning friendly in Dublin.

    Goodwin rounded on the SPFL – formed last week by a merger of the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League – and claimed the move made a mockery of the Scottish game.

    The Irish defender said: “I’m very frustrated. I don’t agree with it. I understand from a financial view what it does for Celtic. But for the game up here it is ridiculous.

    “We have been unfortunate to be the club who drew this fixture. We are looking to get off to a good start and gain a bit of momentum.

    “But we’ll come back from our holidays, play one game and then have another two-week break.

    “I haven’t agreed with this from the start. It doesn’t happen anywhere else in the world. I can’t see why it happens here.

    “It’s obviously worth a lot of money to Celtic. Going to play Liverpool in Dublin in the Aviva Stadium will no doubt draw a full house.

    “There is massive revenue at stake for Celtic but I don’t see why it can’t be organised during pre-season. Why the SPL allow this to happen doesn’t make sense.”

    Lol. Welcome to Liewells SPFL Jim.

    • Monti

      Deflection.

    • Niall Walker

      @ww

      I am disgusted nay outraged by the obvious bias of the SFA toward a club who uses the Dunblane massacre to score points against Rangers.

      • Budweiser

        Niall – Is this a cryptic crossword clue – shouldn’t it be ‘ a club which uses’ ?

        • Niall Walker

          Bud,

          I see my talent is not totally wasted, no it should not be ” which”, the sentence infers something, something you have obviously missed.

          • Budweiser

            Bud,
            I see my talent is not totally wasted, no it should not be ” which”, the sentence infers something, something you have obviously missed ‘

            Niall. Yes , that’s what I thought – obviously a superior mind at work. Go on – enlighten us mere mortals.

            • Niall, are you making the assumption that Budweiser is a Celtic fan & a link he posted on the previous blog concerning a cover up in the vile insanity that was the Dunblane massacre, was somehow being construed to further smear Rangers? I was going to address your original post , but thought it beneath me… This one cant be let go… There was some muttering by yourself about being pulled up for using child abuse in your posts in what can best be described as “bad taste”. This whataboutery is doing you no favours, especially concerning the nature of the topic.
              My reading was that Bud, the “Saint Mirren fan” was concerned about the level of the subterfuge, nothing else.
              perhaps an apology is required?

            • Budweiser

              Niall, are you making the assumption that Budweiser is a Celtic fan & a link he posted on the previous blog concerning a cover up in the vile insanity that was the Dunblane massacre, was somehow being construed to further smear Rangers? I was going to address your original post , but thought it beneath me… This one cant be let go… There was some muttering by yourself about being pulled up for using child abuse in your posts in what can best be described as “bad taste”. This whataboutery is doing you no favours, especially concerning the nature of the topic.
              My reading was that Bud, the “Saint Mirren fan” was concerned about the level of the subterfuge, nothing else.
              perhaps an apology is required?

              Mac.

              Thanks for the above. However, there is no need as Niall would probably agree with most of what you state. He is far more consumed by ‘ Hating in Plurals’ than mere child abuse;mass murder of children; or establishment cover -ups by secret society members.
              Sounds a bit harsh ? The entire thrust of his comments were outlined in his first reply. eg ‘ do you deny the holocaust ‘? and,’ have you read PG Wodehouse ?’
              So I have offended his icon and ‘hated in plurals’ – kinda sad really – even though I did no such thing ! That is why he won’t reply to your comment and indeed why he didn’t reply to any of mine asking for specifics . He is so transparent , but thinks himself so superior .
              There we have Mr Niall , pro establishment,pro authority.unquestioning obedience,nothing to see here, Walker.
              You would have thought that the headline news yesterday of the care commission cover -up scandal in the NHS by the WATCHDOG Itself demonstrates the absolute necessity of relentless vigilance and questioning of OFFICIAL accounts.
              A quote from the final link I gave you Mac ;-
              ” Evil isn’t an army that besieges a city from outside the walls ,
              It is a native of the city.
              It is the mutiny of the garrison , the poison in the water , the ashes in the bread “.
              – Charles Morgan.

  20. cam

    Bhoys,,,some breaking news,,,the Camster just posted the 1690th comment on the previous waffle!!!
    What a day ,what a day!!
    screen shot saved,,,i can retire undefeated!

  21. Pensionerbhoy

    Paul

    Personally, I think this statement gets to the heart of the matter.
    “Bearing in mind the nature of the case it seems highly unlikely that identification would be an issue, so whilst on one view the reports may be contrary to the Act, they might not actually amount to a contempt of court, as per the formulations described by the judges above.”
    Should one concur with my argument, then one might regard the article as a whole to be somewhat superfluous given that a few sentences seem to have covered the essence of the debate. However, it is such a great joy to flee the confines of the playground where, for far too long, some name calling, at times offensive beyond forgiveness, has verged on the brink of sticks and stanes, and to once again recline comfortably in the peace of one’s own home with a good read. Thank you for returning to matters of some substance, no matter how, to certain minds, including my own, laboriously legalistic or individually inconsequential. Hopefully it will focus the minds of your readers on more in depth discussion than childish but at times gross “nana, na, nana”!

    “The only safe course, where identification is in issue, is not to publish any photograph or similar image of the accused, at least until a stage of the trial when there is no question of further identification evidence being given.”
    Perhaps it would be far from amiss to issue a similar directive with reference to written words to some who have made great efforts or maybe even enormous strides, towards becoming website “personalities”. It would appear that the learned judge is hinting that the best course of action in all matters is to see nothing, hear nothing and, for God’s sake, say nothing that could create prejudice of any kind.

    Chirped like a proverbial monkey three times over!

  22. Stevie

    And so the old haycart of B/S and embeliished
    propaganda trundles on.
    Think you will find Monti old bean that the charity received the money.
    After consultation with the Charity custodians and supporters the money was returned as a donation to the RFFF. Therefore it cannot be remotely compared to theft.

  23. mcfc

    Is this Mike Ashley boosting his CV before taking a a more prominent role at The Rangers – quiet, effective, respected Llambias out, Joe foot-in-mouth Kinnear back in – Charles is green with envy at this man’s pure comedy genius. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22947908

  24. LNS’s phrase: “possibility, not remote and greater than minimal” is my absolute new favourite…. I think I might start incorporating it in contracts…

    On the “germane” subject of Mr Coulson’s picture identifying him – as the Bizarre editor (sic) of The Sun (picture credit I assume), subsequently Editor of the NoTW, director of communications for the Tory party and subsequently the Prime Minister, I think every fecker knows what he looks like (even those of us who would prefer we didn’t….) – is this really an issue?

  25. Niall Walker

    I would just like to express my outrage and disgust, I haven’t decided on the reason yet but it involves either Celtic, Catholicism or Ireland.

  26. mick

    hail hail the celts are every were lol

    • Anonymous

      In response to your liar accusations mick, did you have a look at the links on the previous blog. I notice you havent commented on them. I would post them again, but it looks as though they have been filtered.

      • willy wonka

        I’ve a post containing quite a few links commenting on the “deid club” line.
        Been “in moderation” since early afternoon.
        Mick and Monti are on here 23 hours a day. Maybe Paul should hand them the reins when he’s busy ?
        Lol.

  27. mick

    a think this is the 1st g8 a have enjoyed its been great watching and has made the news and online footage more enjoyable el presidenta likes a Guinness lol his wife is well impressive to and leaves an inspirational trial were every she gos to . well done to them and there tour has been great to watch and educational .

  28. mick

    Cameron down the lodge at the shankhill lol

  29. JohnBhoy

    Jackie McNamara:

    “What we need in this country is proper club licensing and complete transparency… It’s too easy for people to use clubs for their own ends…Income tax has been unpaid and that affects hospitals and schools. It’s time we took a harder line with the people who want to run our clubs.”

    Well said Jackie. Now, all the bears who agree with Jackie lift up your paws. Not even one little paw? Surely you must want transparency and people fit for purpose? No?

    Now, I wonder which club has still to produce audited accounts?

    • Ed Pàislig

      Jackie McNamara always struck me as an intelligent young man and clearly has a strong commitment to fairness in society just like his old man. We need to hear more from Jackie – a future Rangers manager? Sorry – I slipped into a parallel universe there – I mean’t Celtic of course.

    • willy wonka

      Rangers accounts are not overdue.
      Don;t let that stop you though. Lol.

      • mick

        http://themanthebheastscanttame.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/beware-of-geeks-bearing-gifts/

        they think the iq geezer is a timmy plant lol a must read and lots of mentions of bloggers these people are mental

        • cam

          Yup,this guy certainly has the inside track and keeps a close eye on the activities of the truly deeply obsessed.
          He knows the names and checks on their background.
          I shall give a man with a humungous IQ the benefit of the doubt and assume that his intelligence would elevate him beyond the status of loonball obsessives.
          It was funny to see the 3 amigos sitting like bingo callers or guys from the Blantyre Full Monty club,,,
          here’s the two Pauls and Phil apres blog career!

      • Ed Paisley

        @Willy
        Yes you are quite correct of course, the new company/club audited numbers are not overdue. Help me out here; a new plc has to lodge accounts within 18 months of incorporation. That means we have to wait until Nov 2013? Maybe we will be shocked and find that the new club is in rude financial health – I guess it depends how much money the Rangers Charity Foundation can raise for them!

        • willy wonka

          Ed, come November you and several of the other internet “experts in all things Rangers” will once again be crying into your Buckfast.
          Wait and see if I’m right. Mind you, if true to form you all fall silent or start the usual deny and deflect, I’ll be along to remind you. Bookmarked.
          Lol.

  30. Monti

    just watching the BBC1 news & their showing clips of the new film ‘world war Z’ the clip showed hundreds of Zombies rampaging through the City…..Initially I thought it was the re run of Rangers (IL) Uefa cup final in Manchester…… :). only there wasn’t any policemen being kicked to the ground!
    Really, Really what is the problem with those west ‘am fans?

  31. mick

    hi monti did you see bdo are hearts admin crew on behalf of the Lithuanians this should be interesting as we can compare them to duff and duffer of oldco admin lol

  32. Paul

    @Niall
    “Employees make a claim to SFA it is a footballing debt and they must agree”
    .i am pretty sure the argument would be that the EBT was from a trust fund as we keep hearing and as such it is a side contract and nothing to do with the SFA. This would raise an issue as to whether the SFA knew about the EBT’s all along wouldn’t you think?

  33. barcabuster

    If we accept that CG&CW were operating in tandem, pre admin, does this not seem a bit iffy.
    We had the Cousins debacle in which the CORRUPT SFA remained mute, and now this allegation doc from Cha.
    Buy with funds that they didn’t have, nor intended to pay, and Chicco inherits an improved squad, which he thought he could keep!
    Courtesy of another mill and a half on the deid clubs account.

  34. mick

    its its real bampottery cha has been serving us for weeks now its lol at every tweet and only a matter of time for the final pieces in the jigsaw that will see the whole pack of cards fall and be blown away for ever lol

  35. mick

    a should have added they are biting there fists of in anger at cha lol

    • willy wonka

      mick – no need to resort to out and out lying.
      I don’t know a single Rangers fan , of which I know more than just a few, who gives a monkeys about what Fakes is spreading on the net.
      Not one.

      • Monti

        Deflection.

      • cam

        I can certainly support that statement willy,,,the transvesite is an irrelevance.
        If you think about it and forensically examine each of the Celtic minded bloggers who drip feed them their cybermeth,then they don’t stand up to the kind of scrutiny that they like to employ in their blogs.
        As Clarice Starling said to Hannibal ” why don’t you use that finely tuned intellect upon yourself “

  36. C’mon the rovers lmfao.

  37. cam

    Well in the true spirit of the new style of supporter i have written to and e-mailed each of the “interested ” clubs that may wish to take a punt on a Celtic Galactico.
    I have updated them on the lack of competition,basic ball control technique and all round crappiness of the SPL.I have also informed them of Celtic’s hidden debt,lack of paying supporters and the cash crisis that is unfolding at the Beggardome.
    Celtic’s urgent need to sell these players has been relayed to all of the EPL clubs by the Masonic network and a concerted effort to spread tittle tattle to de-stabilise CFC as a listed company is underway.
    Its called karma and it smells lovely.

    • Ed Paisley

      @cam
      You are so jealous of Celtic’s glorious and unblemished history aren’t you? You are a clever chap – you know that your team is now synonymous with sectarianism and financial scandal. The shame will not go until SEVCO emulate Celtic FC and build a reputation for honesty and fair play on and off the park. When will that happen?

      • cam

        Ted,i cannot honestly think of any moment in this life or any other that i would want to wake up as a Celtic fan.It must be horrendous having all that angst and second class status.Unloved,unwanted,pitied,reviled scorned,ridiculed and just plain laughed at.
        I suppose if i could walk a mile in your mocassins,i would get a proper feel(steady Keith) of what it must be like to be a downtrodden martyr.
        Nah,,,keep your slippers Ted,,,i’ll just keep my supremacist baffies on.

        • Gortnamona

          Not over here Cam -Not any more.

        • jockybhoy

          That really does sum up the mentality of Rangers fans- the ones we hear from anyway. I’ve cut and pasted that into an email to my mates down here in London to show the level of anti-irish, anti-catholic prejudice that still exists in Scotland.

          Thanks for making my point Cam.

      • Gortnamona

        Ed
        “The Twelfth of Never” would be an appropriate date.

      • Gortnamona

        Ed re Cam

        A bit rich that coming from a spokesman for the illiterate scum of European football. The dregs of society in Scotland and the shame of a nation they claim to love. Pay Lizzie her taxes you nasty little hypocrite.

      • willy wonka

        Ed, “unblemished history” ? Are you sure you really want to go there again ?

        • Ed Pàislig

          Are you going to talk about Desmond White manipulating the attendances to save £300 in tax? If you are referring to anything else then it will confirm my worst fears about your true character. You don’t make accusations like that without evidence – the gossip of semi-literate bigots isn’t evidence and you know that.

          • willy wonka

            White and £300 in tax ? Whatever do you mean ?
            When it comes to “unblemished history” you know EXACTLY what I’m on about.
            “Unblemished” my erchie.

  38. Ed Paisley

    So the man with the sky-high IQ bought his cut price 1.2% of SEVCO/Rangers. I hear he has already questioned the level of exec salaries at Ibrox. Apparently, Ally McCoist has a salary around three times the average for a senior executive in the City of London. Given that Ally’s IQ is in the sub-normal range and he is managing a new club in the third tier, the wild inference is that Ally is overpaid. Stockbridge gets £200k for f*ck all!
    Keiron is a long-standing acquaintance of Malcolm Murray, so it looks like the wily old chap isn’t going to go quietly. His spokesman is now a financial genius with two brains. I am looking forward to Keiron’s next statement.

    • Niall Walker

      Ed,
      This man sounds like the very man you have all been screaming for, he seems intent on restoring some reality to Rangers, there are many layers of decadence and ostentation to peel back, and this chap seems just the cookie. Rangers need a hard nose to blow away old attitudes, restore some economic perspective to Rangers.

      I think there is some hope in the future for Rangers if they adopt this man’s sense of value and worth, maybe the OF rivalry will be more exciting with 2 modern well run clubs, clean out the archaic dross on both sides.

      Do you not feel Celtic’s chances of further CL qualification get slimmer every year, selling their best players and playing weekly against dross cannot enhance their odds ?

      If they don’t qualify for the next 3 years then Celtic will break even( if the fans stay loyal), and if Rangers are run efficiently, economic parity may only take a season or two. It is possible Rangers will be able to challenge Celtic for honors in their 2nd season in the SPL..

      Once both are back to equal strength, the odds of CL qualification half for both teams, maybe once every 3-4 years each, this is not good economic news for either.

      The slide to mediocrity in a dismal SPL is inevitable, to be honest in their respective domestic markets all they have is the OF rivalry, it sells the merchandise and the tickets, bitter competition is good in an otherwise uncompetitive marketplace.

      • Niall Walker

        I have learned something from the intensity on here, both sets of fans identify themselves to their club with a passion I find simply impossible to relate to.

        I am not saying it is wrong as such, but it is certainly not evidence of free will, no wonder both clubs are reluctant to dilute or tone down the rivalry, to any business model this kind of inheritable fanaticism is like gold dust.

        I believe most people within the modern industry of football, see it as a vehicle to earn a living, the fans see it as a vehicle for something completely different, the classic contradiction of materialism and spirituality.

        I am unable to see myself in a club nor feel a club in me.

        • Budweiser

          Niall. Yes yes yes blah de blah.
          In response to my posts last night you have stated ; ‘quite disgusting’ ;’ sick sick sick !’ ; ‘ disgusted nay outraged ‘. I responded and asked you point to exactly where I had made your accusations. I responded civilly and politely to your outbursts.
          Now if you were ‘ just dangling a worm’ , as is your wont, or perchance having a superior josh, then that’s fine and dandy. Perhaps it was your singular dislike of ‘hating in plurals’ ? If you were serious then could you please respond. If you don’t then – apology accepted.

        • Ed Pàislig

          @Niall
          When you are rocked to sleep as an infant by your big sister singing Celtic songs it kinda gets into your DNA.
          However, my belief in Celtic FC is not uncritical. I was extremely embarassed and disappointed when Neil allowed himself to be provoked by McCoist. I am disappointed that Celtic tried to get Sevco parachuted into the SPL or second tier.
          However, in general I am pleased with the way Celtic FC has run its affairs.
          Yes I am perhaps hyper critical of Rangers but I am annoyed at the inaction of the supporters. They don’t see that they have missed an opportunity to modernise and sterilise the club from the old history of bigotry and financial scandal.
          However I believe in the innate goodness of man and eventually Rangers will adopt a path of inclusion and honesty. This chap Kieron Prior getting onto the board would be a very encouraging start.

          • cam

            Ted,i do hope your big sister wasn’t like that wee lassie Celtic fan who became an internet hit with her reaction to the Juventus defeat.
            I can’y put up the link as her language is way too foul for even this place.
            It is funny and scary at the same time.To think of the culture that could spawn that mentality is a terrifying thought.

            • Ed Pàislig

              @cam
              I bare my soul to you lot and I receive ridicule in return – that is not nice.
              My sister is now a successful solicitor in Kilmarnock with five beautiful children. She is your typical high aspiration immigrant – the type who are leaving ra peepul behind on the lowest rung of the ladder. Unfortunately her husband is a proddie who prefers rugger to fitba’ but a nice chap all the same.

  39. cam

    What about Tahiti scoring that goal?,,,the pure essence of sport!,,i was nearly greetin for the boys in the canoes.
    I bet it was a good Scottish presbyterian that introduced them to the beautiful game.
    The added bonus of making big Ambrosia look like a pudding,,,did you see what i did there?,,clap or laugh,,i’m easily pleased.
    Tennis is about to start,i’ve got my tight 80’s shorts on and Robinson’s barley at the Ready.
    All those lithe athletic bodies stretching in the hot sun, perspiration dripping,,,and the wummin aren’t half bad either!

    • I bet it was a good Scottish presbyterian that introduced them to the beautiful game.
      I’m sure it was cam,probably went there to avoid taxes,teach bigotry,and ally’s ancestors definitely involved in teaching the football,they got gubbed didn’t they!

    • Ed Pàislig

      @cam
      Yes soccer was introduced by a good presbytrian missionary – one of Scotlands great gifts to the world.

      Unfortunately, he also introduced them to the roll ‘n square sausage wi’ tattie scone which has made them all obese with diabetes – another of Scotland’s great gifts to the world. (Although Col Sanders has to take some of the blame too).

      • “I bet it was a good presbyterian who introduced them to the beautiful game”, that’s almost funny cam, the problem is that among the wonderful scenery in some of the Polynesian islands there lingers a Proddy v Catholic sectarian tension. A legacy of the French – Brit imperialist carve up, Missionary zealots of both persuasion left their calling cards.
        You could not, & would not want to make it up……

  40. Budweiser

    Purported to be rangers incorporation document page 8.
    Am I wrong . or does SYNONYMOUS not mean the ‘same ‘ or ‘same as’?
    Just asking like.

  41. JohnBhoy

    Followers of the now dead club Rangers have convinced themselves that if their club had been kept alive then the banking crisis in Lithuania would have been averted and Hearts would not now be entering administration lol.

  42. Monti

    Morning folks,
    A big Celtic welcome to our latest signing Virgil van Dijk, a £2.5m buy from Groningen.

    Hail Hail Virgil, from the Celtic family!

    Here we go three in a row…. 🙂

  43. cam

    Seeing that picture of the 3 amigos on the stage at the Blantyre O̶p̶u̶s̶ ̶D̶e̶i̶ sorry, KOSC club made me think through the actual process of what takes place inside our still developing brains.
    The electro chemical reactions that neuro scientists are just scratching the surface of,can inspire humans to all sorts of wonderful achievements.
    The latest medical scanners can show brain activity during various activities.The thought processes of autistic savants can be studied to learn more about this magnificent organ.
    I believe that the greatest advances in science will involve the study of the human brain.This is where our soul resides after all.
    Now back to the two Pauls and Phil.
    You tell your missus that you’re off out and she asks where to.You tell her you’re away out to a club with some pals,a perfectly normal evening replicated worldwide.
    But you’re actually out there to medicate a bunch of lost souls who have contracted a serious affliction,Rangersitis.This is a particular strain that is completely different to the Chico variation.You don’t get urges to wear orange tops or bellow “no surrender”
    This strain’s symptoms include.twitchy fingers,staring eyes,profuse sweating and greetin,hearing voices,speaking in tongues and dancing about like Michael Flatley on crystal meth.
    Think of the 3 amigos as missionaries visiting the vast unexplored wilderness of South Lanarkshire.By holding up the Holy Celtic View and sprinkling Irn Bru and playing Glen Daly songs our brave adventurers can bring the word of Declan to the savage tribes of this god forsaken backwater.
    There is a lost tribe that the amigos have heard of,a race of beings painted in red,white and blue,who follow a a different order.They march frequently and their current deity bears the symbol of the Sacred Pie.
    Will the amigos cross the mighty Clyde and venture into Larkhall,will they ever be seen again and would you serve up Phil with chips or rice?

    • mick

      Cam is your soul not in your heart not your brain maybe am wrong the holy spirt ur soul is always seen near the heart in photos of jesus you see the eternal flame it’s heart shaped with a bright burning candle this is a image of our souls keep the fire burning bro hail hail or should I say hello hello lol

      • cam

        No mick,the heart is just a pump.When you think of Eva Mendes hoovering in a Celtic/Rangers top,,,that thought comes from your brain.
        When you dream of Govan Tesco’s again your brain is in action.
        When you trudge along the Gallowgate like a herd of steaming widebeeste that is your basal ganglia at work.
        Nobody managed to take a photo of Jesus and you should stay away from those religious trinket shops with little grotto’s and medallions and statues.
        Graven images and all that.

        • mick

          the Turin shroud is a photo image fact

          • david

            Dated to the 13th Century, but there is now doubt about the carbon dating process as it may have taken a sample sewn in later.
            However, Mick, I do wonder at it.
            Conclusive proof would be a test showing the corpse wearing a red and white striped jersey with a thistle on it and LTFC.

          • Niall Walker

            mick,

            ” the Turin shroud is a photo image fact ”

            Jesus looks very like the 15th century painting of him by Leonardo da vinci, pure coincidence of course, maybe Jesus modeled for him.

            I suppose if you believe in miracles one more bit of lunacy is neither here nor there.

      • Niall Walker

        mick,

        I dearly hope you are jesting, the whole concept of an external spirit began over 70,000 years ago when we became aware of our dreams, most early religions are based on dream cultures, if you are lying still and your mind is floating about elsewhere then it is not a huge leap to believe some unseen agent is separate from the body.

        Our ancestors copied this idea for all things, it is called animism, everything had an unseen agent of purpose.

        • willy wonka

          Niall, a wee look at the Zoroastrian religion would educate some of the more devout Christians.
          Born in a stable, of a virgin birth – only it happened a few thousand years before the more famous one.
          Strange how human history repeats itself.

    • david

      Phil could be served up as 10 different courses, several with Irish names.

      • cam

        A buffet Knight of Columba!
        A Phil MacSmorgasbord Bhain.
        Thick pea broth of a bhoy
        Two dumplings and one veg.
        Peat smoked haddies
        a selection of puddings
        grapes of wrath
        various whine’s but no spirit of goodwill

  44. barcabuster

    @Willy.

    I asked you about the H&S concerns surrounding Ibrokes, to which you replied there were none, and followed up with a comment about the roof of Celtic Park.
    Perhaps you would care to comment on the above emails, and let me know if these works to the Ibrokes roof have been undertaken yet.
    Words like “Unsafe”, “dilapidated”, and “Under investment”, are not usually on the “favourite words” list of H&S Inspectors. Nor is the fact that workmen refused to go up there due to danger of death!
    The most shocking revelation though, was when it was asked if it could be cleaned up, and the reply was, “You can’t clean up rust!”.
    My My. !

    • mick

      Well said barca hands is serious if they can’t afford it they should say and apply for grants even a would back the roof being fixed for them it’s going to be left to us to bring this to the table as the spivs don’t care the h&s guy that surveys might have his head in the sand and just pass the roof this a serious issue more important than any other does the council check the roof independly if not we should email them and ask for it to be fixed now via council pay later or close the area off that’s dangerous looking at our sports roofs why are they not decked in solar power panels a income stream for small clubs ???

      • barcabuster

        @Mick.
        If the allegation is correct, and I suspect it is, then we are talking about a very serious issue.
        A cheap solution in the meantime would be simply to remove the sheeting, unless the problem is actually structural. (The costs of repair suggest not) .
        That is a good idea(though expensive) about using some form of energy panels on such a large surface area, but will they be efficient under the black clouds at Ibrokes? Lol.
        Joking aside though. This is the season to undertake such an operation before the winds get up and someone is injured.
        It will be interesting to hear WillyWiki’s comments on this potentially serious problem.

    • willy wonka

      @barca. Yes, I can confirm that the roof has passed all H&S checks. Repairs were carried out and [if memory serves me correctly] the check was carried out 3rd week in May. This information was passed to a Rangers fans group via post and phone last week when their concerns were addressed.
      The catering equipment has also been fully updated you’ll be pleased to know.
      When was the last time a section of roof blew off at Ibrox as opposed to Porkheid where it became a weekly occurrence ?

      • barcabuster

        @Willy.
        If that is correct, I am glad, and relieved to hear it.
        I am surprised though that Murray allowed it to deteriorate to such an extent, considering he is in the industry and could have supplied the materials at cost. Lol.
        Seriously……I wouldn’t want anybody to be hurt when it is avoidable.

        • willy wonka

          If your concerns are serious barca, I’d suggest you ask for a structural survey of the Tattiedome to be carried out.
          I’d do it myself but we all know how Glasgow City Council work.
          Lol.

          • barcabuster

            @Willy
            Of course my concerns were genuine. Some thing’s are above having a wee pop at. And obviously I have friends and relatives who attend, some regular, some sporadically.
            I have no concerns whatsoever regarding Celtic Park, and IMO is well appointed with regards to safety.

            • willy wonka

              Sorry barca, but you are seriously mistaken. Ben Turpin had the job done on the cheap. That’s why it kept falling down.
              And with the club being £30 million or so in the red, falling attendances, etc I don’t think it’ll be too long before Dermott starts to wonder if he should call in his loans.
              Anyhow, it won’t affect me personally. Home games only for me and my chums. Liewell has assured the clubs who bought into his fairytale that he’ll make sure they get plenty of money. That being the case they won’t need mine.

            • barcabuster

              @Willy
              I. can find no information that points to a problem regarding safety at Celtic Park. All safety certificates appear to be in order. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

    • mick

      straw clutching willy lol what about the roof willy this seems more important than money whats your view on the latest tweets from cha ?

      • willy wonka

        Mick, The roof issue was answered by me [ten minutes before your attempt at deflecting].
        What happened ? Couldn’t get the “copy and paste” to work for your name ?
        Lol.
        However, that aside, a Jewish guy who hates “the poor” and urges the Tories to continue their crackdown on them ? Whatever will he think the next time The Gangrene Brigade start all their nonsense about Palestine ? What would Brother Walfrid have made of it all ?

    • BB

      His fawning over geoge has just paid dividends…with a seat in government (so much for cameron’s global war on tax avoidance). Will he keep his place on the celtic board I wonder. If not wee craigie could fill his boots. He also is averse to paying tax…and the hoops faithful just love him! Given the contempt the club appear to have for the city of glasgow’s council taxpayers it’s all beginning to fit. Why would celtic have to give the council a chunk of the profit they receive on land aquired from the council a few years ago…mmm…they didn’t get it under face value in the first place…did they…????…tbc…

      • barcabuster

        @BB.
        Craigy can’t fill anybodies boots at Celtic Park mate……It is against the rules for him to be involved with two teams in Scotland. Lol.
        So Livingstone must know his onions if he is the top banana at BT. He is only good enough to oversee our auditing though. Who Does yours?………..Trotters International Traders.

        • BB

          The celtic -council land deal is appearing as grubby as any dodgy deal del boy ever got into…sorry, del bhoy. With the council getting in such a flap over current enquires it looks anything but ‘kosher’….

        • willy wonka

          Barca, yes he’s a top banana. Tops at offshore banking to hide money. Top banana at wanting societies less fortunate to receive less.
          Talking of bananas, I hope he doesn’t make an appearance on the pitch if Mark Walters is in attendance. Wouldn’t want the huge bulge under that carpet getting any bigger.
          Lol.

  45. mick

    the h&s issue is the only thing that matters now peoples safety before profit and loss and banter the new tweets from cha is shocking and the msm and sfa and all the other bodys incharge of our safety have to act quick on this there was a section of roof gave way in the winter that season at ibrokes this is the responsibility of the whole of scotland and needs addressed now and fixed

  46. barcabuster

    @Mick.
    If the allegation is correct, and I suspect it is, then we are talking about a very serious issue.
    A cheap solution in the meantime would be simply to remove the sheeting, unless the problem is actually structural. (The costs of repair suggest not) .
    That is a good idea(though expensive) about using some form of energy panels on such a large surface area, but will they be efficient under the black clouds at Ibrokes? Lol.
    Joking aside though. This is the season to undertake such an operation before the winds get up and someone is injured.
    It will be interesting to hear WillyWiki’s comments on this potentially serious problem.

    • mick

      We need a independent survey some 1 from down south as there has been talk of intimidation before surrounding h&s don’t forget if any1 mismanageses forms it’s criminal charges if anything gos wrong Ibrox has had troubles before god rest there souls in heaven and after inquiry the board were seem to be at fault so this needs the focus of all scots football fans and if the bill for cost is large surely there must be health and safety grants available for them via gov. And council if not the spivs should be forced to close the sections at risk

      • BB

        Who was intimidated mick when where and by whom…? .I reckon you’ve been eatin batteries again…off and running at Plumpton. ..

      • willy wonka

        Mick – why don’t you write, Email and phone the “top banana” from the H&S who probably resides somewhere around London. Tell him that 50,000 are at risk every time Rangers play at home.
        Even better idea, Glasgow City Council Sellik Supporters Club [the largest in the UK] would most likely be your best bet.
        Lol.

        • barcabuster

          @Willy
          50,000 at risk when you play at home, is feck all, compared to the number at risk when you play away. 🙂

  47. cam

    Time to get out in the fressh air,,,the loonballs are off and running again.
    The asbestos scare didn’t work so why don’t we spread a rumpour about the roof!!
    @barca
    You really need to get a hobby.
    @mick
    The picture of the Turin shroud was developed by the old Klick shop in Larkhall,so it might not be genuine!
    A Roman geezer took it on his Blackberry Claudius which had a very poor camera.Don’t get your hopes up!
    See you bhoys later, i’m off to abuse a golf ball.

    • mick

      God will forgive you cam for mocking the Stroud as you were raised faithful less and so do I bro this is our hobby blogging for tesco it’s 24/7 7days a week dedication look what we did last summer lol div3 hmmmm lol

    • barcabuster

      @Cam,
      I have many hobbies mate, and the pursuit of truth and justice just one of them.
      I am combining two as we speak, and I am currently about 1 mile off shore over a shoal of succulent black bream. Pulled in a nice sea bass on my first cast, and the sun on my bare back being tempered by a refreshing breeze.
      It seems the little fishies like The Clash as much as I do…….Another hobby!

  48. portpower

    Bastard owes me a pint.

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