Is Walter Smith “Widely Acknowledged” as Rangers Most Successful Manager?

One wonders who is responsible for writing the Stock Exchange releases for Rangers. I have mentioned before the fact that, in every LSE statement, there is mention that the “Club” is managed by Ally McCoist “who is still the Club’s all time leading goalscorer”.

One wonders if they will ever mention his managerial skills, which might seem more relevant for investors reading the releases.

One also wonders if the people who write these statements on behalf of Rangers realise that there is such a thing as “over-egging the pudding”.

Yesterday’s statement contained a masterpiece of the art. Did you spot it?

It was this line:-“Walter Smith is widely acknowledged as the Club’s most successful manager.”

WS

Now, nothing I say here is intended to detract from his undoubted managerial achievements. There is no doubt he was a very successful manager – no doubt at all. He took Rangers on from the heights achieved by Graeme Souness and reached the “nine in a row” pinnacle.

He then came back and steadied the ship after Paul Le Guen’s stewardship, winning more titles before passing the baton to Mr McCoist.

But the statement said that he was “widely acknowledged” as Rangers best manager – almost as if those who write the statements need Rangers always to be at the very peak – perhaps exemplified by the numerous “world records” claimed by the Club as it passed through SFL3.

The point of this post is to look at what is meant to be an official statement for the purposes of the stock market and investors, and see how overblown it became, thanks to a couple of ill-chosen words.

I hope that some of the Rangers fans who read this might contribute their thoughts too, and I trust that those who are not Rangers fans will be polite in discussing the issue. This post is not about the suitability of Mr Smith to be the chairman of a quoted company – that comes next, but is focussing on the “advert” which consists of the Stock Exchange announcement.

There would be little to complain about if the statement said that Mr Smith was “arguably” or “possibly” or even “seen by some as” Rangers’ most successful manager. Or even if he was described as “one of the most successful manger”.

But to say that he is not just widely regarded, but “widely acknowledged”, seems to be elevating him above the pantheon of great Ibrox bosses.

Better than William Wilton – founding manager and winner of eight league titles?

More successful than Bill Struth – winner of 18 leagues and 10 cups in his 34 years (and of more of the War years are included)?

A better boss than Scott Symon – winner of 6 leagues, 5 cups and 4 league cups in a career diminished only by coming up against Jock Stein at Celtic?

What about Willie Waddell, who in the midst of Celtic’s nine in a row, won Rangers its only European title?

Or Graeme Souness, who took over after Rangers had won only 3 leagues in over 20 years, and promptly changed the face of Scottish football, and dragged Rangers back to the top?

If one looks at winning percentages too, which are by no means everything, but which mean something, what do we find?

In descending order, the winning percentages for Rangers bosses (ignoring caretakers) runs as follows:

67.53   66.83   65.96   65.78   65.52   65.34   65.25   64.84

64.03   63.32   62.86   56.49   52.08   51.61   43.65

I am sure that there are some who could rhyme off which managers owned those  success percentages, but for those who can’t, the list, from highest to lowest, is as follows:-

Dick Advocaat

Bill Struth

Alex McLeish

William Wilton

Walter Smith (1st spell)

Scott Symon

Jock Wallace (1st spell)

Ally McCoist

David White

Graeme Souness

Walter Smith (2nd spell)

Willie Waddell

John Greig

Paul Le Guen

Jock Wallace (2nd spell)

I must confess to being rather surprised by some of the statistics – Advocaat and McLeish so highly ranked, and Smith so lowly (in comparison). And Mr McCoist in mid-table, although having SFL3 opposition will have helped the percentage somewhat!

None of which suggests that Walter Smith was not a successful manager – as I said there is no doubt that he was, but to say that he is “widely acknowledged” as the most successful manager …

To use a good Glasgow phrase … gie’s peace!

Posted by Paul McConville

 

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  1. mick

    well all quiet on the sevco front now walters in charge lol

  2. mick

    theres a new mick with a lime green monster at side nialls demonising me with houlcost comments and mentioned it so if the new mick would like to say hello cool other than that lets see if its niell playing games sick man he is

    Niall Walker
    May 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    mick,

    One question, did the holocaust happen or not ?

    No more evasion or deflection, a straight yes or no ?

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    Niall Walker
    May 31, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Bud,

    How many micks are on this site ?

    mick,

    How does it feel to be unjustly labelled and demonized, not very nice is it ?

    hes a saddo troll lol pmsl haha you just could not make this fools contribution up @ every 1 am the dark green monster from the jungle room lol

  3. mick

    theres a new mick with a lime green monster at side nialls demonising me with houlcost comments and mentioned it so if the new mick would like to say hello cool other than that lets see if its niell playing games sick man he is

    Niall Walker
    May 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    mick,

    One question, did the holocaust happen or not ?

    No more evasion or deflection, a straight yes or no ?

  4. mick

    Niall Walker
    May 31, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Bud,

    How many micks are on this site ?

    mick,

    How does it feel to be unjustly labelled and demonized, not very nice is it ?

  5. mick

    a tried to post the above together but went to mod Niall is really lost the plot and seems behind the new mick log in sick or what unheard of in blogging and he lied about holocaust to see if a felt demonized lol and has mentioned it for 3 days now sinister and sad

    • Niall Walker

      mick,

      Typing with your knuckles is not helping clarify matters, you are quite happy to demonize others but find me doing it to you sick.

      When will the penny drop, hello….anyone in ?

  6. mick

    https://twitter.com/CharlotteFakes

    thats cha up twattering as bomber says lol

  7. Tam McCondie

    WALTER no surname was so successful that he had to sit back for around 6 months twiddling his fingers, or checking his p45, whilst Advocaat ran the show from Holland. This was, of course, while the backstabber was working his notice after Murray bulleted him.

  8. Sevco’s Latest Star Signing…
    =======================

    Stevie Smith…yes that one…has returned to the Ibrox fold after being out of the game for a year.

    Sevco fans must hope Smith’s not as partial to a chocolate doughnut as Sally.

    Regardless, master manager McCoist has shown his ability to fashion a pig’s ear out of a cow’s arse, so fit or not Smith will probably be right up there with McCoist’s previous signings.

    The ones that were supposedly going to storm the third division last year.

    Should be an exciting, laugh a minute 2nd division campaign.

    McCoist will no doubt view avoiding relegation as acceptable, but of course his first priority will be to win the 2nd division, and…ahem!… The Scottish Cup, and League Cup.

    However he may have to settle for a bottom six place in the league and a semi-final place in the Ramsden Cup as a consolation.

  9. Tam McCondie

    Paul, you state that there would have been little to complain about if he had even been described as “one of the most successful manger”. Would that be the manger as in eating? If it is then surely mccoist has been the most successful.

  10. barcabuster

    @Mick.
    You have taken a pounding the past couple of days, some of it self inflicted, but I am glad you have calmed down. Because cometh the hour, cometh the man.
    As far as I can see, you are the only one who has researched some data on today’s topic, and you have posted it for all to see.
    Well done mate in showing not only his statistical battles with a real manager, but highlighting the incredible sums of somebody else’s money he has frittered away. I posted earlier, that it is difficult to grade achievements due to the variables involved
    However you have proved me wrong on that and shown The Cardigan, not to be a great manager, but the equivelant of a frenzied WAG at Harrods buying a load of expensive shite, but is still, underneath, mutton dressed as succulent.
    Fair play to you mate. You are a great poster bud and a hive of info when you don’t post in haste.

    • mick

      thanks barca that was nice of you to highlight that ,after looking at the walter myths past its factual to say it was msm spin he was a legend legend of ebt and financial doping more like

      • Stevie

        And then you had to go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like…
        Well…your next post.
        Never mind Mick. Monti and Barca still love you!

  11. JohnBhoy

    The Green Brigade are a model of social conscience. Rangers, on the other hand, lived and died lining their own pockets. The Sevco lads are hopping mad today lol.

    A four-leaf clover on my breast…

    • Niall Walker

      ” The Green Brigade are a model of social conscience.”

      Not according to Celtic FC they aint.

      • mick

        the gb are modern artists via tivos and performances anti violent and polite and always there to help any fan that needs it the speak polite hardly swear and are Curtis coming and going from the stadium they rank amongst the friendliest ultra group in Europe also the are left wing thats why in hate fulled right wing minds there bad as a fan and a scarver as they call us a think they are great for youth culture and have a great future at our club a have yet to see them cause a fight or trouble

        • Niall Walker

          ” a have yet to see them cause a fight or trouble ”

          Wiki Green Brigade, there seems to have been some violence, but of course it won’t be their fault, its against their moral conscience.

          • Niall,

            This Blog is Not about Mick, it is about Walter Smith..

            Never mind his abilities as a Football Coach/Manager, that is in the past.

            Would you like to comment, from a Businessman’s stance, on why he qualifies as a Chairman of an AIM Company which has just had over £22m of investment placed in it..

            Is he qualified for the post, can he unite the Board or is he just a Front-man to bring in the season Ticket money & keep the fans happy?

            Is he a Panacea or just a Placebo to keep The People calm while things unfold?

          • parmahamster

            While I’m no defender of the GB as a unit(frankly I agree with the philosophy that they need to realise – and soon – that their uber-Tim mentality will be the rock on which they will perish), I will defend to the hilt their right to behave as they do, they at least do bring colour and atmosphere to matches.

            Which makes me wonder about your oft-stated tendencies towards the black and gold of the Methil lads and how you square this with your consistent sniping. In all honesty Niall (that IS your name, isn’t it?), I have more time for the genuine trolls like Carson than I ever will for a deceitful, nasty, spineless piece of work as yourself.

  12. Geddy Lee

    I’m just surprised they didn’t refer to Smith as “Sir Walter”.

    I must say, he’s appointment has not met with universal approval from
    the whole of Sevcovia.

    Some of them even think his appointment has everything to do with selling season tickets, now Green is not here to issue another of his ignorance ridden statements.

    Who would have thought it?

    • barcabuster

      @Geddy Lee.
      I noticed that mate. This wee mini murmerrings of sensible Sevconians might gather a bit of pace. Some of them are finally beginning to see they are being taken for mugs.
      This comes on the back of a survey on TBD where only 64% said they were renewing SB’s whatever the outcome. I don’t think the Cardigan has quite the pulling power the board had hoped for.
      I think they are running out of “Celebrities” down Sevco way, but the idea of getting in a Chairman with experience, qualifications and a proven track record is lost on them. Once again they are pandering to the masses, but might have mis-judged this time.
      I think the institutional investers would have preferred a safe pair of hands, not an equally expensive door stop.

      • Geddy Lee

        barcabuster…….

        It’s one thing adopting a Cam Llike “Everything in the garden’s ALWAYS rosy” posture on open forums, simply to try and save face.

        Another thing entirely when the debate features “the rangers” fans only.

        There, such “bampottery” is not tolerated by those genuinely concerned about where the club is going under the current regime.

        The shock of just how bad McCoist obviously is as a manager, demonstrated by the shocking level of football shown, and his complete inability to read the game, and make proper tactical changes, is still resonating strongly.

        I doubt Lennon’s rising stock is helping the mood.

        • barcabuster

          @Geddy Lee.
          I agree bud, but I find that their most sensible posters to date have been CG, IA,,CW & BS. 🙂

    • Maggie

      @Geddy Lee
      Have you not noticed my habit of referring to Mr Smith as HRH Walter because of the reverential,forelock tugging,subservient attitude of the MSM towards him.I almost expect them to back out of the room bowing and scraping in his hallowed presence.Nauseating.

      • Geddy Lee

        Maggie

        I wonder if his first proclamation is to order the “chop” for Jabba? LOL

        • Maggie

          @Geddy
          Not a chance Geddy.Jabba’s the succulent lamb eating sycophant in chief. 🙂

          • Geddy Lee

            Your right !!!!
            It’s hard to keep up with all the characters and their ever changing loyalties.
            The appendix on Charle’s and Traynor’s up and coming saga will probably
            run to about 50 pages LOL

  13. david

    I have not been posting much recently as my missus is still not 100%- this seems to be going on forever.
    We are off for a short holiday in Malta.
    Could I urge everyone to get a grip- the site has gone really downhill, too much puerile abuse and egotistical pretences of intellectual and moral superiority.
    I had problems with Mick and Monti in the past but these were resolved and both were kind enough to display good wishes for my wife. I do not believe for one minute now they really hold to the views expressed here.
    Lifes too short.
    I will leave you with these thoughts.
    Rangers are a phoenix club.
    Rangers have some bad supporters, but most are decent. They have a more serious sectarian issue than Celtic.
    Celtic have some bad supporters, but most are decent.
    There are huge issues facing Scotland today. Rangers are a sideshow.
    There are many more issues worth discussing.
    All this is interminably boring.

    May you all keep well, safe and whatever your religion is may it console you.
    Now get out and enjoy yourselves, lifes too short.
    Were away to Malta, no doubt Father Spiteri will give me more Holy Water for my old Presbyterian bones.

    • Geddy Lee

      NO-one can argue with that !!

      Enjoy your holiday david.

    • barcabuster

      @ david
      Wise words,
      Malte is a cracking wee island mate, I hope you both have a good time. If you get the chance to pop to Gozo, its about 10mins on the heli, and a better buzz than the ferry, and the blue lagoon is astounding
      Haste ye back fit and well.

    • david, enjoy the sunshine 🙂

    • mick

      david a use to live in malta toguilio and sticks back in late 80s a have maltese family to due cousins marring there a hope you love it take your misses to the holy grotto its a deep cave for healings the mosta dome to is a must and gozo a was a maltese labor v conservative riot to lol san juan a lived with maltese friends and they use to come to glasgow it was real nice a had a pen friend from being young to then went over and met here in the flesh real romantic it was

      http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2010/april/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20100417_grotta-malta_en.html

      • david

        Thanks Mick
        Been often to the Mosta Dome, I am sure you are familiar with the Miracle of the Bomb ( as it is known locally ) when a German bomb came through the roof on a Sunday morning , failed to explode and skited out the door.
        Been to the Holy Grotto, didnt work- still didnt win the League.
        I think you mean St Julians? ( San Juan is Spanish )
        They are fantastic people, very religious Catholics, and they really know the meaning of No Surrender.
        Did you know there is a Rangers Supporters Club in Mosta- with a painting of the Blessed Virgin in the Clubhouse?

        • mick

          yes its amaing that story and a real miracle the bomb its self is the actual 1 that fell they took a battering from the jerrys

        • mick

          up from st juilians theres a place san juan it has a chapel and the two brothers pub use to be on the road there was aberdeen pub to they love uk sport due to size of population a can speak a little maltese a light a cisk and so on lol its the nicest time a have had on med my dad was friends with the labour party there and him being labour him self my family still go to this day and chat via face book you enjoy the trip and have fun with the wife and hopefully its the start of recover for her

        • mick

          Naxxar Road, for real malta atmosphere san gwann up from st julians say celtic mick send you lol

        • Budweiser

          david.
          Are you sure it’s not a picture of Violet ? enjoy the hols – lucky beggar.

      • mick

        you have set me of on a tangent of memorys a went to a maltese wedding and you get a gift as you leave its a tradition the house a stayed at was maltese police to they done there shifts in day at force then ran the safety of clubs so it was good for free entry at night also some of the men were secret police well don carly owny types well nice thou and all loved the celtic before the internet my dad would take britsh products over for them and any1 going maltese rabbit was always served up with salad and pasta they are the most friendliest people on earth try and go to golden sands and st julians bay you will love it Bugibba to for tourist things they love finches the way we love doo,s good luck and have a nice trip

    • JohnBhoy

      Have a good holiday David.

    • Maggie

      @david

      You make many good points above david.At times things get out of hand,and people do get carried away,saying things under cover of the blog to score points,things they’d never say face to face.
      It’s only football,and as you rightly say,when issues of ill health,or misfortune come to light,divisions are forgotten and real concern is shown.I was however sorry to see Adam leave,as he was a decent guy,and honest about his club’s failings.I started off being pretty “miffed” with some of his posts and had a few online spats with him,but came to admire him for sticking around and fighting his corner.
      I’m glad you’re not abandoning us david.Enjoy your holiday.I hope your wife feels the benefit of it.

  14. Niall Walker

    ” Could I urge everyone to get a grip- the site has gone really downhill, too much puerile abuse and egotistical pretences of intellectual and moral superiority.”

    I concur, you forgot to mention Mac Thomas thinks I am condescending, mick thinks I am him and Carntyne thinks I am his mummy.

    • Steven Brennan

      Niall
      If you cant say something nice, say nothing.

      • Niall Walker

        ” If you cant say something nice, say nothing.”

        Now that is funny, this blog wouldn’t last long.

      • Steven Brennan
        May 31, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        Niall
        If you cant say something nice, say nothin…
        =================================

        You can’t wish that on him, he’d be struck dumb…and he’s already dim.

        On the other hand he’d have a new title.

        DimDumbDickhead.

        • Niall Walker

          There are sore losers, and then there are sore losers, this one is a real beauty, trophy room for him.

    • Jamie

      Personally I think your a fanny!

    • Maggie

      @Mr Walker
      And I think you’re a scunner and a patronising,insecure,inadequate,pseudo intellectual bore of a troll,but
      apart from that you’re ok 🙂

    • Niall Walker
      May 31, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      I concur, you forgot to mention Mac Thomas thinks I am condescending, mick thinks I am him and Carntyne thinks I am his mummy.
      ==================================================

      You are a sick pervert.

      And definitely my puppet.

      When I want your attention again, I’ll pull your strings.

      Dickhead.

      • Niall Walker

        Oh don’t me so shy my friend, you follow me around like my pet, guess who has the lead, lolol.

        This is just way over your head, isn’t it my friend, given up debating…..LOVE IT.

    • Niall,

      I think you are back to nonsense & trolling.

  15. JohnBhoy

    Niall, I understand that you are struggling with the English language. Spliced commas and confusion between “its” and “it’s” are clearly driving you bananas. Not to worry – JohnBhoy is close at hand to offer guidance. However, today we will start with extending your limited vocabulary.

    Big Word For Today: onomatopoeia. This is where the sound of a word – or any combination thereof – represents its meaning. Examples include: BOOM!, Tick-Tock and Whoosh. The latter was the sound of The Rangers going down the tubes.

    Just tap on your screen when you want help from the Doc.

    • Niall Walker

      Johnbhoy,

      My knowledge of the English language is more than sufficient to dismiss you with ease, maybe you should pop along to the Doctors about these delusions you are having, they are a hoot hoot.
      lol

      • Niall Walker
        May 31, 2013 at 6:04 pm

        Johnbhoy,

        My knowledge of the English language…
        =====================================

        It’s not the only thing, but your use of the English language is what’s making you look like a pretentious fool.

        Oh!…

        and…

        you’ve guessed it…

        a dickhead.

        • Niall Walker

          Carntyne,

          How does it feel to get humiliated in any debate by a pretentious fool ?

          Bring it on mummy’s boy.

      • JohnBhoy

        That’s it? That’s the best you can do? Lol. Not a worthy opponent at all. Next.

    • Maggie

      @JohnBhoy
      🙂 What is it with the kingdom of Sevconia and their inadequate schools?
      It’s either that JB or Jabba wants to be recruiting trolls “d’un certain age”
      whose grammar,spelling and sentence structure are up to scratch.These 17 year olds just aren’t cutting it.

  16. honest johm

    Sir Walter knows as chairman he will have the poor smpletons lining up to part with their hard earned, only for the spivs to fill their boots and laugh all the way to the border.
    No shame … No class …

  17. JohnBhoy

    Adam, c’mon back. We’re only taking the mick.

  18. Budweiser

    ‘ Why keep the investigation private and confidential, if there is nothing to hide?
    http://www.scotzine.com/2013/05/a-whytewash-of-an-investigation-into-links-between-disgraced-owner-and-green/

    • Budweiser
      May 31, 2013 at 5:21 pm

      ‘ Why keep the investigation private and confidential, if there is nothing to hide’?
      =================================

      Because there’s something to hide

    • willy wonka

      Another bawbag wants to stick his neb into Rangers business.
      Answer Andy – it has f#ck all to do with you.

      • Budweiser

        William.
        ‘Another bawbag wants to stick his neb into Rangers business.
        Answer Andy – it has f#ck all to do with you.’
        Wully, wully,wully tsk tsk ! Such language tsk tsk !
        Of course he’s going to ‘stick his neb in’. A circus is a spectator event. Why not comment on the performance. This is soooo much better than ‘reality’ tv !
        Wee craigy is such a class act doncha think? lol lol lol haw haw haw!

  19. mick

    Adam if a have upset you a don’t mind in the interest of fairness saying sorry deeply a do apologize to you for slagging your fans at the end of the day its sport rivalry so loosen up and accept my apologies

    • Bill

      I doubt if you’ve upset him personally, but your disgusting outbursts have disgraced this blog and embarrassed Scottish people in general. I’ve never seen or heard anything like it in my life and never wish to again.

      • mick

        dramatic irony there bill

      • Bill
        May 31, 2013 at 6:45 pm

        I doubt if you’ve upset him personally, but your disgusting outbursts have disgraced this blog and embarrassed Scottish people in general.
        ==================================================

        So have yours and you don’t seem bothered.

        Pot and kettle.

      • Stevie

        It wasn’t the disgusting outbursts that peeved me off Bill, you sort of get used to that from Mick.
        Everyone on here knew exactly what Mick was trying to do and when he got found out,he wasn’t even man enough to own up.
        What was equally pathetic was the backup he received from his friends.
        Mick is a calculating bigot, a purveyor of untruths…and a coward.
        His forum buddies do not appear to have any morals either.

      • Maggie

        @Bill
        “I’ve never heard anything like it in my life” You’re a Rangers’ supporter right ? Then I’m sure you’ve heard MUCH worse from your fellow followers,I know I have.

        • Bill

          Don’t support any team now and never have been an old firm supporter.It just seems to be natural assumption on here when you disagree with someone in here you’re branded as one or the other.

          • Bill
            May 31, 2013 at 9:47 pm

            It just seems to be natural assumption on here when you disagree with someone in here you’re branded as one or the other.
            ============================================

            Debate should make you think, with alternative points of view perhaps making you change your mind occasionally, but the standard from the Hun hordes is sadly lacking in depth or in fact.

            So we’re left with letting them haver or kicking them in the crutch.

            Its certainly not debating, but it is good fun.

      • Fra

        @Bill…I’ve just read this. God, your a touchy wee soul. Read, agree or disagree, comment or not and move on. Give it a TU or a TD but to claim on the behalf of all Scottish people is a little bit above your station. I enjoy most contributions because of the variety of opinions, whether I agree or disagree. The extremes of the political spectrum is covered which makes Paul’s blog one of the, if not the best blog out there.

        My point Bill is, we are all big bhoys and ghirls so enjoy posts for what they are and stop getting out your tree. I enjoy Carsons posts as much as Mick solely on the lack of censorship which is a pleasant change on the net

  20. arb urns

    Is Niall Walker ” widely acknowledged ” as Rangers most UNsuccessful blogger ?

    • arb urns
      May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm

      Is Niall Walker ” widely acknowledged ” as Rangers most UNsuccessful blogger?
      ========================

      He’s not widely acknowledged anywhere…except as a dickhead.

      • Niall Walker

        ” He’s not widely acknowledged anywhere…except as a dickhead.”

        Learn how to debate, saves all the pain and anguish, and please stop whingeing, its so undignified. Take your crushing like a man.

        • Niall Walker
          May 31, 2013 at 7:36 pm

          Learn how to debate, saves all the pain and anguish, and please stop whingeing, its so undignified. Take your crushing like a man.
          =================================================

          Your standard of debating is of primary school level.

          And that’s being generous.

          It is I doing the crushing and you who are doing the whining.

          DimDumbDickhead.

    • Niall Walker

      ” Is Niall Walker ” widely acknowledged ” as Rangers most UNsuccessful blogger ? ”

      Not by your reaction I aint.

      • Tut Tut Niall,

        You are STILL Trolling.

        Get back to Debate.

        • Ian4300
          May 31, 2013 at 10:38 pm

          Tut Tut Niall,

          You are STILL Trolling.

          Get back to Debate.
          ==================

          In order to get back to debating, there must be a point in the past where he actually was debating.

          I must have missed that bit.

      • Niall Walker
        May 31, 2013 at 7:33 pm

        ” Is Niall Walker ” widely acknowledged ” as Rangers most UNsuccessful blogger ? ”

        Not by your reaction I aint.
        ======================

        Still irritated I see.

  21. tamtic

    Walter cardigan is only there as the acceptable face of the unacceptable regime, its an old trick. Its like Hitler putting Santa Claus in charge of the Nazi party

  22. dan

    Fcku me! Talk about life imitating a blog!!!! Yesterday, while skimming through the Sevconian posts– De Niall, and he whose name must not be mentioned lest he tremble with fear—- I was mildly irritated by the optimistic note coming from those whiffy directions. How, I asked myself, can I insert a pin in their tiny balloons of hope? And, I admit rather off-handedly, I suggested that if Saint Craigie went before M’Lud, the Sevco soap opera could run, and run, and, run. This was no more than a throwaway jibe. So, imagine my very pleasant surprise, when the second Messiah—the one that came after Saint Craigie– aka Chico Verde, pops up on Talk Shite radio and tells Andy Not-Much-Gray-Matter, and the other guy with a mouth like a cat’s arse, that Saint Craigie could be haunting Sevco ‘for a decade or more to come.’ How I laughed, and laughed! But then I began to wonder—–why would Chico think the sainted one was capable of such a feat? Unless Chico knows what cards Saint Craigie is holding. And they’re all fckuing aces. Lurving it!

    • Niall Walker

      ” Unless Chico knows what cards Saint Craigie is holding. And they’re all fckuing aces. Lurving it! ”

      If CW was holding any aces he would have marched CG into court months ago, a handful of aces does not take decades for a result.

      • Ed Paisley

        Niall it does sound like Charles is acknowledging that Craig Whyte has a good hand, if not all the aces.

        • Niall Walker

          Ed,

          I have never doubted CW has a case against CG and Sevco 5088, what some want to ignore is CG/Ahmad did what they did as directors of Sevco 5088 not in their capacity as directors of Sevco ( Scotland). This makes CG/Ahmad personally liable for any losses since Sevco 5088 has no assets, so the most CW can get is what he was promised in the original deal assuming CG and Ahmad can afford it.

          People assume because Sevco (Scotand) benefited from this fraud the deal will be reversed, but this will never happen because CW’s share was only a tiny percentage of the company, he did not own the shares with the assets at any time because he did not pay 5.5 million for them.

          • arb urns

            is that u admitting a ‘fraud’ has taken place n…. do u know something……
            a think we should be told a really do………….

          • Niall’

            Sevco 5088 was replaced by Sevco Scotland without the permission of the Directors of 5088. D&P Ballsed up by allowing Green to do this.

            Sevco Scotland, instead of Sevco 5088 became RIFC.

            Every Free Share, Every Penny Share, Every Discounted Share,, every Fund Raising Fee given & money raised, could have properly belonged to Sevco 5088 or their agents.

            The £5.5m is a rubbish argument to raise, the money would have been raised in the EXACT same way by the EXACT same people if Sevco 5088 had been in control.

            It would appear that the only thing which prevented 5088 being in control was the cheating of Green which he freely admits.

          • Raymilland

            @Niall Walker

            CW did not pay £5.5m for the assets; he only paid £1 for them. Regardless of the minimal fee paid by CW; it would appear that whoever paid the £5.5m did so in an ill-founded transaction that may be fraudulent.

            I still don’t understand your percentage of the company argument. Which company do you mean?

            Perhaps you can answer this question; when D&P acted as agents prior to the sale being concluded; to whom did the assets belong?

            CW owned the assets to begin with; he had a private deal to have Green front a transfer of the assets through a company which D&P were contractually obliged to sell to.

            I would assume that due to certain directors of Sevco 5088 being the victims of a fraud as perpetrated by Charles Green; he and his company Sevco Scotland Limited would have illegal possession of the assets.

            Whoever paid the £5.5m has absolutely no bearing regards the legality of the above.

            The question of gratuitous alienation has become entirely separate from the £5.5m sale price. Sevco 5088 received absolutely no consideration regards ownership of the assets. Sevco 5088 had first dibs on the assets as the contacts with D&P would confirm. The fact that someone else paid D&P for those assets is irrelevant to CW’s claim.

            Think about it. You’d best look for reverse gear.

      • paul

        Do you need to defend everything that is printed against Sevco, you Niall are you know what you are no need to spell it out, an east fife fan gies piece.

      • Niall Walker
        May 31, 2013 at 7:53 pm

        ” Unless Chico knows what cards Saint Craigie is holding. And they’re all fckuing aces. Lurving it! ”

        If CW was holding any aces he would have marched CG into court months ago, a handful of aces does not take decades for a result.
        ==================================================

        These are the same arguments you used before Rangers entered administration and eventual liquidation.

        “Couldn’t happen…wouldn’t happen”.

        You’ve learned nothing from that experience.

        You’re either very dim or are being paid to disseminate misinformation.

        Dim is my bet.

  23. jimmy white

    Maybe’s am just thick or something, correct me if I’m wrong someone, as I understood it, the transfer embargo ends january 2014 but sevco are allowed to make pre contract signings this september coming, correct? Then why are they, that should be how are they being allowed to sign players in may, anyone out there able to enlighten this thick wee timmy, no offence to any other timmies btw.

    • martin c

      TSFM did a good bit in the comments section on the most recent posting, among other things trialists and the ramsden cup and then possible rule changes effected after the fact. You will have to trail through the comments section!

    • jimmy white
      May 31, 2013 at 7:42 pm

      Maybe’s am just thick or something, correct me if I’m wrong someone, as I understood it, the transfer embargo ends january 2014 but sevco are allowed to make pre contract signings this september coming, correct?
      ==============================================

      Sevco are banned from buying players until the 1st January 2014, but can sign players from 1st September who don’t currently have a club or whose contracts run out on or before 31st August of this year.

      The waters have been muddied over the last months by talks of £10mill warchests to ‘buy’ players for the start of the new season.

      This is inaccurate.

      Not only the bit about buying players, but the £10mill warchest.

  24. Daniel O'Connell

    I’m sure someone’s already said this, but “Walter” had never been manager of the club of which he is now Chairman.

    • Why was big jock not given the ‘ honour ‘ of been promoted to sellick chairman ?…oh that’s right he was ‘ promoted ‘ to sell scratch cards …sellick the classless club.

      • cam

        Aaah! there you are brother,,,hows it hangin?
        Have you been a bad Bear or did you just get fed up listening to these zoomers?
        Remember now carson,,,Sir Dignity is back,,,let them come after us,we welcome the chase!

        • honest johm

          He’s only there to con the gullibles into parting with wads of cash…What a disgusting creature… No shame.

        • paul

          Err surely it is the other club who welcome the chase, unless you have moved up a couple of divisions.

    • Daniel O’Connell
      May 31, 2013 at 7:52 pm

      I’m sure someone’s already said this, but “Walter” had never been manager of the club of which he is now Chairman.
      ======================================

      An astute observation Daniel.

      And an accurate one.

  25. cam

    Well blow me,,,steady! Who would have thought that my early morning contributions to this rather lazy effort by Mr McConville would have been the intellectual zenith of todays posts?
    The race to the bottom fair gathered speed and Adam decided his time would be better spent elsewhere.
    Can Paul or someone qualified tell me what happens when Craigie and his team turn up in court with their 333 page dossier of evidence and most of it has been “leaked” onto the internet?
    I could Google it but i’m practising my putting stroke for tomorrow’s golf soiree,,,,btw,danny bhoy,i see your anger is getting the better of you regards all things Rangers and the old brave tablets are kicking in.Its a bit immature to be lobbing that stuff over the internet son,wee weans do that wi their phones.
    @Marge
    the intolerant teacher with a closed mind
    Would you make your mind up if your ignoring me or having wee digs every now and then.I would prefer the former and my ability to ignore rockets such as daring dan can certainly extend to you.
    FYI,my comments regards Eco’s professed Buddhism have been to highlight the double standards of his disdain for bile spewing invective and his support for mick and Monti’s idiocy.
    Any sly digs i have at the Catholic church and the Vatican are totally justified due to the atrocities carried out by both.Good Catholic Christians are just good people who i would happily invite to my barbie’s.The wearing of sashes is compulsory at these events and anyone who has had a humour transplant can walk on by.
    The striking thing i can see is, that it’s the bhoys who are permaraging in here.
    Paul needs to put a few of you on the naughty step.
    I wonder WTF carson did to achieve moderation status after reading the last few days guff?

    • Niall Walker

      ” I wonder WTF carson did to achieve moderation status after reading the last few days guff? ”

      He must have called someone a dickhead.

      • mick

        niall at least we know were we stand with carson but you your sleakit and well in amongst the carnish as you have stated lots your here to upset the norm

        • Niall Walker

          mick,

          You seem ok most of the time so I will ask you this, if I have been open about my intentions then how can I also be sleakit ?

          • mick

            you ask clever questions then bang on for 2 days about it knowing your wrong

            • Niall Walker

              mick,

              Just because my opinion differs from the majority on here does not make me wrong or sleakit, most of what we discuss is pure speculation based on limited evidence, it is impossible to be right all of the time, but I come close.

            • Niall Walker
              May 31, 2013 at 9:38 pm

              …it is impossible to be right all of the time, but I come close.
              =============================================

              You can be comical at times, but like this comment it’s usually unintentional.

          • Niall,

            What ARE your intentions here?

            I see a lot of Trolling & Deflection, the CVA being a Classic example.

            I read a lot about your prowess as a Debater….. From YOU…

            BUT, very little Debate.

            Set out your stall on a subject…. I propose.

            Walter Smith’s abilities to fill the Chairman’s post & the outstanding Business Career to date, which resulted in his unanimous election to that post.

      • Ed Paisley

        I’m quite sure that if Carson was to stop his usual nonsense – you know what I am referring to – then he wouldn’t be persona non grata.

      • Niall Walker
        May 31, 2013 at 8:37 pm

        ” I wonder WTF carson did to achieve moderation status after reading the last few days guff? ”

        He must have called someone a dickhead.
        ==================================

        I think it was you dickhead…

    • Ed Paisley

      @cam
      Can I get an invite to your barbie? I haven’t got a sash but I can wear my father-in-law’s masonic apron – it comes in a nice wee discrete case. The only thing is I’ve been a vegetarian since I was 19 – can Morag do a few tofu kebabs? I’ll bring along my favorite CD: “If you’re Irish, come in to the parlour…

      • cam

        Here’s mick,monti,jimbhoy and gort getting ready for a shift in here!

      • cam

        For you Ted,Morag will rustle up a few getofu kebabs!

        • mick

          we can all jig to this me cam and morag

          • mick

            heres a we tune for cams faith god bless there souls the brave Protestant men of Ireland dont listen to the britsh myth rc agianst protestant is a lie last tune as we are not ment to post songs Protestantism at the forfront of freedom

            • mick

              cam the above is a link to the story of Protestant Republicans its a you tube link with the above song a roll of Honor and a amazing by gone story there was Scots 1 to we should have a memorial in Scotland to remember them as Scotland is the home of Protestants

      • Ed Paisley
        May 31, 2013 at 8:49 pm

        @cam
        Can I get an invite to your barbie?

        I haven’t got a sash but I can wear my father-in-law’s masonic apron.
        ================================

        It sounds like an attractive outfit.

        Can you post a photograph?

    • Geddy Lee

      Cam, I understand there is a “Sash Bash”arranged at the up and coming
      away “friendly” to the mighty Sheffield Wednesday.

      Are you attending? LOL

  26. mick

    welcome back cam hope your golf went well did you nip in to the newinn for beer before or after lol or you you real mckay

    • cam

      I don’t drink in those shops michael,some naughty folk that daring dan might know like to invite you for a pint and then take you for a wee spin in a ford orion.
      Now where is this new poster Mr Richard Head that carntyne knows?
      Is he a bluenose with a purple bunnet?
      Or a bell end bhoy?
      I want to twist his melon.

  27. Paul

    Anyone noticed a change in Niall, i think he imay be clark kent,but not in superman.

  28. mick

    well he was pretty near tears in his text when we were debating equality in Ireland most devo types with a butt plug in a was thinking the other night every man to there own thats what a say and hay who cares it is the free world

  29. mick

    lol ugly then ugly now ugly forever lol great old video that cam vintage

  30. cam

    @newtz
    I’m worried about you sir!
    Have you gotten trapped inside your own flow chart? are you shacked up with Charlotte, abandoning your global warming principles? have the greenhouse gases emanating from Random Cowpats,sickened you?
    I know how this movie ends newtz,,,it may not be satisfactory for some, but good prevails once again.
    Novations,escrow,switcheroo’s ,breaking the circle and floating charge’s are like tennis balls bouncing of a Tiger tanks armour,,,,Der Hun is on da move again,,,,no prisoners,,,no prisoners,,,
    Here’s the Camster,when we go on the attack!

  31. mick

    the camsters on fire the night lol

  32. cam

    Where there is discord i shall bring harmony.
    Where there is darkness i shall bring light.
    Where there is sadness,joy
    Lord make me an instrument of your peace
    O Divine Master
    let me cure the indfidel,by the laying on of sashes

  33. cam

    Going for a pint now mick,,,,you stay on the good side my friend and let the love flow.

  34. mick

    cool cam theres new thread up

  35. Fra

    I’ve been away on other missions for a teensy wee while and I come back to witness a wee love fest going on. Micks posting my all time favy band, Cams getting the sash out at the barbie with all and sundry invited except me. George Graham’s came in with the usual bile and Nialls calmed doon. Adams spat the dummy, Micks apologised to whoever and noo we’re back to twisting melons. GOOD. Aw this, he said, she said bursts ma bollocks. Has Charlotte been busy and Cam, my good friend, I don’t live in NZ so yer sheep jokes are falling aff the edge brother.

    As I,m a bit of a Luddite, can my good friend Micheal or any other tell me how to upload a nice wee vid. I cannot be arsed in finding out for myself so make it in diddy speak my friends

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