Ecojon’s Thoughts on the Passing of Baroness Thatcher

I have had many thoughts over the milk-snatcher’s death and have tried hard to control the hatred I once felt for her over the savage destruction not just of the mining industry but of the tight-knit communities and their people also destroyed as part of their punishment for opposing the Tories and bringing them down. I lived through these times and was deeply involved in the struggle and it is hard to forgive.

But being older, and definitely no wiser, and having attended a funeral of a good person on Saturday I have tried to see her not as the cruel and very damaged piece of work that she undoubtedly was, but as just another human being with all her frailties who has reached the end of the road. Not that I have any criticism for those who have celebrated her passing – after all the Establishment will celebrate it in a slightly different way at her State Funeral.

But then I saw last night that she no longer lived in her London home but had moved to a hotel room nearby as she was very much alone in her latter days. Somehow it seems a fitting epitaph for the woman who tried to destroy the whole concept of ‘society’ and who certainly damaged it in large swathes of the UK and even in far-flung countries. At the end of the day the lowly-paid people who will never be part of Cameron’s ‘Big Society’ were the ones she was entrusted to and I feel sure were compassionate in their treatment of her.

As to the Falklands – anyone with a crumb of intelligence knows that this could have been dealt with through diplomacy but she needed a ‘good’ war to ensure electoral survival. Many brave soldiers, from both sides, lost their lives far from home in a war that should never have happened.

I simplisticly used to think way back then that it would be cheaper to relocate everyone from the Falklands back in the wild areas of the UK and fully support them financially to pursue the kind of lifestyle they appear to desire. A Highland Clearance in reverse so to speak.

But silly me – way back then I knew nothing about the oil reserves around the Falklands; hadn’t realised that we might one day have to rely on their teeming fish-stocks; and also the geographic importance of the islands for the inevitable despoilation of Antarctica for its mineral resources once the ice has receded a bit further.

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341 responses to “Ecojon’s Thoughts on the Passing of Baroness Thatcher

  1. Well said. Sad but true left devastation and destruction behind wherever she walked or wanted to walk.

    • Maes

      Wow ecojon… so your solution to 400 years of strife in northern ireland is ship back the 400,000 protestants ? seriously… has aged taught you nothing.

      The falklanders LIKE living there !!! and have done for over 100 years !!!

      Troops take the queens shilling – risk of death and glory is part of the job spec. It was an honest fight, unlike iraq (weapons of mass destruction – so said an 18yer old student???)…

      • gedboy

        There’s no such thing as an ‘honest fight’. The big boy always wins. A Cabinet report of about 1912 said UK’s claim to the Falkland’s was dodgy. I well remember it was my first year of teaching. The morning war was declared I could barely control my S2 class in South Manchester. They would have torn a hispanic person apart in front of me if they’d had the chance. May she rot in hell for her crimes.

      • FairBairn

        As far as I remember, Thatcher was abandoning the Falkland Islanders to save money. The islanders depended on Argentina to survive. Thatcher gave them the ‘green light’ to take over, whether accidently or not, I don’t know.
        I remember her as destructive, snobbish, arrogant and greedy, but I didn’t know her personally. I didn’t see Scargill as anything different. They seemed to be similar in their contempt for ordinary people, however, I won’t be singing or dancing. Nobody’s perfect.

      • ecojon

        @Maes

        Normally I ignore people who try to drag us deeper into the cesspit of bigotry. But perhaps we should all move to the Falklands as they seem to live forever – at least over 100 years by your reckoning. If we also take your reckoning a stage further the East India Company Sahibs should still be lording it over the native peoples of the Indian sub-continent as was before partition and independence.

        And what about the District Officers in Africa – if they had been better at their job we would still have our Empire and our enforcers would still be living off the sweat of the local populations. I totally cut myself off from a branch of my family who emigrated to South Africa in the 60s. They came home for a visit and at a party the women were all chattering about the move from twin tubs to automatic washing machines. My wife innocently asked what machines were used in South Africa to be told: ‘Oh we don’t have any washing machines’.

        As the shock and horror was expressed at how hard things must be for them she explained: ‘We have an old guy lives in a hut at the bottom of the garden who does the washing’. Things went downhill from there as I realised how easily two good trade-unionists who used to have principles had been seduced by the ‘luxury’ provided by basically slave labour.

        Re Falklanders liking their life there I have no problem with that but I didn’t then and I don’t think now that the islands were worth the life of one British soldier and I feel exactly the same about Afghanistan. I also resent your attitude towards our troops – many of them had little choice over the centuries but to take the ‘shilling’ to escape starvation and poverty. Few, even today, have a truly free choice. And as to an honest fight – don’t make me laugh – a limping, worn-out Belgrano presenting no immediate dangers torpedoed by a state of the art submarine. And the French colluding with Argentina over the Exocet missiles which wrought havoc on our pathetically under-defended ships – there was nothing honest about the bloody carnage which followed and could have been avoided.

        As to your 400,000 Protestants perhaps you should alert the Church of Scotland to their presence, wherever they are, as I think they are sorely needed to prop-up the church which is the case with a lot of organised religions these days including the Catholic Church.

        But if Ireland’s history is important to you, as you would seem to have us believe, then why haven’t you discussed the Plantations and how a Protestant population came to exist in Ireland. But the colonisation actually stretches much further back than the Plantations – which Scots were heavily involved in and for which this country suffers to this day – all the way to the 1100s.

        Dinosaurs like you will remain wedded to history when it suits and appear not to wish to learn the lessons and the consequences of destroying other cultures for economic gain which was enthusiastically pursued by many colonial cultures before and after the British Empire.

        I would rather try and accept Ireland – and that means both parts of the island – as a work in transition to a better life for all in an open and tolerant society. And that means no solutions being imposed on them but a gradual accommodation with each other which may, or may not, lead to a unified Ireland. I have no view on that as I truly believe it is a decision which must be made by the Islanders.

        The neanderthals who continually point back to a more ‘glorious’ time for their particular faction or religion are roadblocks on that pathway but they will be removed eventually through the will of the vast majority of the people – I truly believe that because ordinary people want to live a life without fear from terrorism from whatever source. I never ever thought I would live long enough to see how far Ireland, as a whole, has come and it speaks volumes for the sensible people on both sides of the Border and religious divide.

        • maes

          ecojon thanks for reply. will ignore the retoric… 🙂

          “I would rather try and accept Ireland – and that means both parts of the island – as a work in transition to a better life for all in an open and tolerant society. ” – me soo – see we can concur…. :0

          I just point out that if you gonna give up falklands, why stop there, shetlands, orkney, outer herbidies, etc etc etc … where does it end ?

          6billion in the world to share with, but if they all want what you have, sufficient food, accomodation, a line needs drawing somewhere……

          😉

          • richboy

            Maes , totally agree. To many posters on here are allowing their hatred of Thatcher to cloud their views on everything she did.Yes she made mistakes, but her positives far outweighed the negatives.

            At the end of the day Thatcher rescued us from Union domination, socialist indoctrination, labour incompetence, nationalised industries and an unsustainable reliance on government subsidies.

            When she left Government the UK was a much healthier place to live. Can we say that of when New Labour were shown the door? I think not.

            • Marching on Together

              “Union domination, socialist indoctrination, labour incompetence, nationalised industries and an unsustainable reliance on government subsidies” These are the things these posters most miss. That and cheering on fascists against our troops.

            • JohnBhoy

              Wanker.

          • Maes: that’s a heck of a line to be drawn if its going to include The Falklands/Malvinhas – 16,000 miles of pencil (not including actually drawing the line around the islands themselves…). What other places does Britain still claim as Britain? Gibraltar and Northern Ireland? Any others? As for your fatuous remark relating to the Northern & Western Isles – I think you are helping make the point – after all how ludicrous would it be for Argentina to drop off a couple of hundred settlers on St Kilda or whatever and claim they had a right of self determination to be Argentinian?

            MOT: Other than Argentina who invaded what Britain sees as her territory, thus giving her no option but war (this lady’s not for talking), what fascists did she take on? I can’t remember them… but I do remember her being friends with a few… Pinochet springs to mind.

            • Marching on Together

              The fascists in the NUM, and the fascists in the IRA.

            • iain

              If there was no UK, no England and no Scotland, the the analogy of Argentina settling St. Kilda would work. As I’m sure you know Argentina didn’t even exist when the Falklands became British.

        • Fra

          haha eco, that was a fair SLAP. Wonderful.

  2. JohnBhoy

    Thatcher destroyed whole communities, gave the thumbs up to murderous actions here and abroad and warmly supported dictators who had killed and tortured citizens in their thousands (Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, to name but two). Rot in Hell bitch.

    Oh, I forgot, one should not criticise evil bastards whom have passed away. So, Attila, Robespierre, Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot… there are those here on this blog that acknowledge your deeds but want you to know that under no circumstances will they criticise you and, furthermore, will condemn those who do. Next, Charlie will be praised for his racism and lying and we will all live in a nice garden with daffodils and roses and little butterflies…

    • aboy

      She sooo bad, 10 years of blair and no pits re-opened, no steel works un-mothballed… we dont do steel – we do ipads and ipods… new world.

      She had guts to cut early, Blair accepted all she did and carried on spending the wealth she created.

      Never forget – in 1979 – we were Greece!!!! I was child of thatcher – 3 days at school cos only 3 days of power… candles at night – no power! never forget that… for who the miners !!!

    • richboy

      JB might be a bit picky but I note your lack of reference to “left wing” mass murderers such as Stalin (approx 50 mil), Castro (approx 1 mil), Caucescaue? (spelling) ( approx 5 mil),, Mao Tse Tung (approx 50 to 100 mil).

      Methinks Maggie looks pretty good next to your heroes.

      • Paul

        Pinochet, did you forget him Maggie’s friend the butcher general. Bush, Bush jnr, very conservative these people,How many did these people kill?Do not throw stones in glass houses would be appropriate.

      • JohnBhoy

        @richboy

        I would include all the mass murderers you mention. Why do you think they are my heroes?

    • Marching on Together

      Well in hell she will have loads to talk about with various Popes.

      • Althetim

        MOT

        In response to your earlier silly remark regarding fascism, the following quote from Franklin D Roosevelt may help your clearly limited understanding.

        “The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”

        Sums up Maggie Thatcher perfectly.

        • Marching on Together

          Try reading Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will see that much of what FDR did was fascist in nature. I have an excellent understanding of US history, politics and the fight against fascist wherever they may appear, unlike you.

          That quote by FDR was a poor attempt by him to provide an ideological basis for his fascist policies. It could equally have been uttered by Mussolini, who was inspired by many of the same philosophers and writers as FDR

          • FDR may well have been fascist in nature, I don’t know and that’s besides the point anyway.
            You accuse the IRA and NUM of being fascist. I would contest that on behalf of both. For all their faults, they were (are) not fascist.

            Please do not accuse me of defending the IRA on anything other than the charge of being fascist, for they are not. Same applies to the NUM.

        • Sums up the world we live in today. A door recklessly thrown open by maggie and ronnie, and now look at the mess. Governments cowering to big business and the bankers. Yes no spelling mistake, bankers.

  3. . . .”At the end of the day the lowly-paid people who will never be part of Cameron’s ‘Big Society’ were the ones she was entrusted to and I feel sure were compassionate in their treatment of her.”

    i heard it said many times, during the “hive offs” or privatisations,
    that the tories in general and maggie thatcher in particular,
    “knew the price of everything, but the “value” of nothing.”

    • aboy

      Its the 10 years that follow a prime minister that defines thier true contribution…

      Brown – biggest world wide banking collapse (he altered the BOE)
      Blair – Iraq/Afganistan campaigned illegal and unnecessary, Philpot 17 kids, 6 killed for a bigger house on benefits
      Major – ridiculed but 10 years of continuoue growth
      Thatcher – end of old inefficient industries, UK financial world hub, new technologies, low inflation, low unemployment
      Callighan – 2 recessions, Union power
      Heath – winter of discontent, 3 day week (only 3 days electricity – think of the old folk with no leccy), Union barron power
      Wilson – Union power, Nationalised industries unable to compete – beds at british leyland for the night shift workers ??
      Atley – NHS

      Hated yes – understood – nope!

    • I disagree – I think they definitely knew the price – then floated at that -20%. They knew that if they priced these sell-offs low,the public would get an immediate return on their shares, buy into “conservative ideology” and spend the money they made. Selling off the family silver cheap and everyone having a party was the order of the day.

      Ditto the council houses. Nothing was ever done with the money in terms of reinvestment, something we are still paying for today…

      Incidentally she also cut income tax but whacked up VAT massively – taking a slice back from the flotation profits but also a form of taxation that has a disproportionate effect on the lower paid.

      • Marching on Together

        “Ditto the council houses. Nothing was ever done with the money in terms of reinvestment, something we are still paying for today…” Utter garbage. 25% of the sale proceeds were put towards building new council houses, and the remainder was used to pay off the debt incurred when building them in the first place.

        Are you a Rangers fan – think you can run up huge debts in building council houses and then expect to have them cancelled?

  4. ocuilte

    Sad for any human to die, but I disagree with the writer in the daily mail that she will meet her husband in heaven for a whisky. She will be in purgatory for a long, long, long time.

    Privatised industries benefited from one of her many one sided reforms where they were given the freedom to manage without appropriate regulations to control their unethical excesses. Council house sales were an easy vote winner by selling at way below cost prices to the best-off council house tenants and reducing the stock available for those who needed them. State monopolies were replaced with private monopolies, relationships with European neighbours were destroyed and she even supported the SA apartheid regime.

    She said “there is no such thing as society” she might also have said there is no Britain, only England as her anti-Scottish rhetoric and actions were obvious to all – although to be fair she didn’t like Wales or Ireland either.

    I wont be doing a highland fling at her funeral, but I will manage a small soft shoe shuffle. My TV will be firmly set to PVR on the day of her ghastly military funeral and I will cancel the daily papers on that day. I will also find a miners charity to donate too as it has been proved by her and subsequent actions that their strike to oppose planned but denied pit closures was correct.

  5. Monti

    She was Evil Ecojon, it really is that simple, her words,her attitudes,her policies & her actions. The way she spoke about Miners like they were something on her shoe, her lack of compassion during the Irish republican hunger strike told me a lot about her. growing up in the 70’s & 80’s was a difficult time for people & I remember in the 80’s the elders spoke of her in a very bad light, she was hated for what she was doing to Scotland, communities,families & a generation lost, all because of her & her ilk. I remember during the Hunger strike she wanted them to die, she could have saved those brave young men & their families heartache. She called those men ‘criminals’ but who was it that ordered a ship (belgrano) to be blown up when posing no threat to the British? Was that not murder? Savage, McCann & Farrell were murdered by the S.A.S. in Gibraltar while they posed no threat,they were unarmed, there was no bomb in their car, this was murder, it seems murder is ok as long as it’s the Brits who are committing it. Yesterday I was out with my wife & Daughter when I heard of her passing, after years of wanting her to die, when the moment arrived I felt nothing, I can’t understand why? Maybe it comes from my upbringing & my parents would not have wanted me to celebrate someone dying,it’s not right i still believe it’s not right. What we had in Thatcher tho wasn’t a loving, caring person full of compassion, she hated Scots,hated the Irish & probably hated everything not British! History is judged on your deeds & Maggie as the words of a famous Irish rebel song come into my mind…..” your deeds they would shame all the devils in Hell” ……I’m sure the Shamrocks are blooming on the graves of the Hunger strikers today, as the sun warms the earth.

  6. JohnBhoy

    In Chico’s world, investigating other employment avenues brings The Rangers into disrepute, while being a racist, a liar, a thief and a bigot is acceptable, even endearing attributes. The Rangers is a morally corrupt institution. Some things never change.

    Mmmm, this milk tastes good this morning.

    • @JohnBhoy. I bet the warm , curdling clotted lumps that plopped onto Durrant & McDowells cornflakes this morning is not so appealling. And it has to be served up to them, by best mate Sally, the milkman of human sadness.lol.

      • coatbrigbhoy

        Has Ally sack that pair yet, Charlie is the boss, he tells Ally the truth, sack that pair of wasters, Ally looking to get sacked or Green looking for the exit, hard to tell who is going to first to do walking away before Craigy boy takes control again.

  7. Deid! 40 odd years too late, but better late than never.

  8. josephmcgrath112001809

    The Thatcher myth continues. She never U-Turned? Oh yes she did, but only when her simplistic economic policies had seen the destruction of our manufacturing base.
    She brought about the Falklands war by removing the Navy presence there – the ice patrol vessel. She was warned but ignored the warning – she knew best.
    She has left us a legacy we have to live with.
    http://themcgraths.me.uk/lady-thatcher-a-legacy/

  9. Jimbo Jones

    ‘Ding dong the witch is dead!’ Sing children! Pitiful.

  10. Gav

    Fair play, Ecojon. A brave attempt at magnanimity. The subject matter, however, had none. She was the personification of all the ills of the human condition. She was a greedy, spiteful, conceited, manipulative, war mongering, evil tyrant who truly was the hammer of the Scots and her Northern English neighbours. Iron Lady? She was no lady.
    May she rust in the cold fires of her own personal hell.

    • ecojon

      @Gav

      I can assure you that I wasn’t attempting magnanimity 🙂 At the end of the day I actually see her as no worse than most of the modern-day Tories whose wealth and that of their class depends on ruthless exploitation of the underclasses.

      Osborne and Cameron have the benefit of better PR to cloak their agenda but it is no different from her’s. It’s about supremacy and keeping the little people firmly in their appointed place using the full might of the State apparatus when required.

      • maes

        Ha ha – the little people – i am the little people – we were skint, no central heating, and pretty darn poor i tell ya. She was a shopkeepers daughter – she was little people !!! but worked hard got to oxford and ran the country…

        I own my house – no mortgage, i ran two business – created untold wealth… and joy for friends, family and workers.

        there were BEDS in leyland for the night shift workers – BEDS !!!!!!

        • richboy

          Brilliant Maes. My mothers dream was to own her own house. Under Thatcher my brother and I paid for her house which she lived in until she died. She died a very happy woman knowing that she had realised her dream.

          Thatcher made dreams reality, labour only provide nightmares (eg Gordon Brown)

        • “but worked hard got to oxford, married a millionaire and ran the country…

          Fixed that for yah.

          • maes

            jockybhoy ??

            how many on the labour front bench are millionaires…. ? go on tell us…

            Is it true blairs irish minister has a butler ????? lol

            Blair so british he only here 90 days a year…. hoo hah hahhhhhh, she died in britain, cos she luved britain.

            😉

            • JohnBhoy

              Wanker.

            • josephmcgrath112001809

              My wife has a butler, brings her tea and toast up to her in bed every morning – hoovers, does the dishes; even cooks sometimes. Thank goodness I don’t have to wear the butler uniform though.

        • allyjambo

          Her father, Mr Roberts, OWNED the shop he worked in. At that time little people OWNED nothing much more than the clothes they stood up in! Thatcher claimed to have come from working class stock, just another sound-bite she thought might fool the genuine working class people. It worked on some stupid enough to read the Sun, I suppose.

  11. JimBhoy

    @Eco Unlike me, i only quickly skimmed thru your comments as to be honest I don’t have any real thoughts on the matter bad or good..

    One thing I did want to say was she did me some good… I have a fairly successful career partly due to the path she offered me when I was a teenager…. I saw all my pals take on YOPPS/YTS positions because of the lack of real opportunities in apprenticeships etc… 2 years training at £25 a week… I did not want to put myself in that short term path. I did OK at school not great so furthered my education, packed shelves part time to give me some money and left college with a decent qualification that got me a rung on the ladder in computing, that luckily opened up a lot of opportunities for myself, including much travelling all over the world and a decent salary. Looking back I count my blessings that I steered clear of that system on offer as a lot of the guys I refer to have struggled on basic wages for years, some luckily went on to do well but not many in the discipline they chose through those schemes…

    So to Maggie rip, I am glad I had the wisdom to bypass what she had to offer the young men and women of the 80’s in order to make the dole figures less of an embarassment. I think I am in a good place to direct my kids into further education as today’s jobs market is becoming akin to that in the 80’s… I do not envisage my kids staying in the UK when they explore their own career path.

    • JimBhoy, We are moving closer to a society with more in common with Rio, with gated security patrolled luxury Apts interspersed by Favellas.
      I don’t see how there can ever be enough jobs for all, ever again. Certainly not enough, where taxation levels can be set at a level which will balance against the welfare needs of the less fortunate.

  12. Keith

    Ding dong the witch is dead..which old witch? The wicked, odious, heartless, arrogant , tory witch. Never forgive, never forget the harm she did. Shameful that she’s being given virtually a state funeral.

  13. ccl

    Thatcher ripped the heart and soul out of hard working mining communities in the name of capitalist free enterprise, self interest and greed. These communities are still reaping the consequences – social deprivation, unemployment, burgeoning drug dependant culture. She and her cohorts set out and destroyed working class culture.

    • Steven brennan

      Talking last night to a couple of miners(retired obviously)
      They said Maggie was brilliant
      “Massive redundancy payments which allowed them to buy their homes outright” and great pensions paid immediately no matter what age.
      So if you ask the miners what they think of her, I think most people would be surprised by the answers given.
      Scotland is once again under the yolk of a tory govt we didnt vote for, which to be honest isnt much different to the new Labour.
      Where do we go from here? I dont think we have any competent socialist politicians anywhere.

      • Steven brennan

        What am I in moderation for Paul?

        • mick

          Steven were you being abusive its not like you lol

          • Steven brennan

            The post above was in moderation from 12.21 till 5.00
            And Mick dear bhoy I am never abusive as you well know, I leave that to Monti and co.

        • JohnBhoy

          @Steven

          You might be in moderation but we are all on cloud nine. Whit a week! Thatcher’s deid, Craigie is no deid, Charlie commits suicide!! It just keeps giving.

            • mick

              Stv have shown new agent whyte tapes its getting better by the day how can our jaw muscles take much more with laughter lol green begs for money then proven to lie lol

            • Mick, I just caught the tail end and heard him say Sevco 5088 was not used, contrary to every release they made at the time . Was D&P’s exclusivity deal with a company called Sevco 5088. I don’t see how they could possibly entertain any other company name taking the reins……Unless? Fill the blanks!

            • mick

              @barca my post has jumped 6 posts up

            • yes mick, I was posting elsewhere ….. maybes CG STV interview has caused an EMP and screwed everyones posts up ….. it was certainly ‘electric’

            • Got it ……. It’s JT trying to turn the clock back …… to correct the statements ….

            • mick

              how much more of this can scotland take revoke the licence its a scam and criminal its crime that comes with big sentances to so lol

            • True colours last night eh Michael ? The decent Christian churchgoer , the family men , the working class man on the street football fan ?…………no you showed your true self , bigoted , hateful , spiteful , terrorist supporter , cheering the killers of more Roman Catholics than the other sides gunmen do you support that Mick ? The murder of a mother of ten children in Belfast and her body not getting a decent Roman catholic burial ? or the murder of a three and twelve year old boys in Warrington ? Eh Mick ! Did you cheer that with the rest ? Like you cheered all the bombings ? Or the massacre at omagh ? How loud did you cheer that ? Or are you disappointed you didn’t Kill enough ?

            • not nearly dead but really dead

              Tell me your not serious.
              Hypocrite.
              Anyway I apologise you were right about ‘nulli secundus’
              T’rangers are second to none…………………………..
              Pity it is second to none is the disgraceful way it behaves outstripping the other club that used to be run out of ibrox
              55 and counting(days left in existence)
              Enjoy ‘bigotfest’ tommorow

            • I take it you support child murderers then ?

            • Budweiser

              not nearly.

              Remember it’s still the same club – Rangers to The Rangers.
              Same owner – Craig whyte to The Craig Whte.

            • C’mon Michael , do you like MONTIT , support the murderers of children ? Stop hiding behind MONTITS skirt .

            • mick

              you make sure you get your ST early as wee agent whyte wants a new Lamborghini for cruising round Monico lol who are the owners of rangers the fans have the right to know lol

            • Never mind banter , do you support the murderers of children ? Do you think that not enough , your words , were killed ?

            • Jean mcconville , Roman catholic , mother of ten , abducted , murdered and body buried in secret , no Christian burial , ten children orphaned , c’mon Mick did you cheer that ? Just like the bombs going off ? Ever seen the aftermath of a bomb Mick ?

            • mick

              Bitter zombie trolls

            • But I don’t support child killers , do you have kids ? Just think of the fathers who buried their kids after your gallant leader and his cronies had detonated one of their bombs .

            • Mick , are you there ? ….omagh , 29 people killed , 6 of them children and a pregnant woman with twins , did you cheer that Mick ? Did they , in your honest opinion , get enough ?

            • JohnBhoy

              “I don’t support child killers”. So, you don’t support the US/British armed forces in Iraq or Afghanistan? Just think of the fathers who buried their kids after our gallant air force and their US pals bombed them. Or are those kids just acceptable collateral damage?

            • david

              Whataboutery.
              For the record, the 2nd Iraq War and Afghanistan wars were illegal.
              Not the fault of our troops but the lying scum politicians who sent them under false pretences.
              The Falklands was a just war , if such a contradiction exists.

            • Monti

              BOOM!!!!!!!!!!

            • Budweiser

              carson.

              Are you still buying three,yes three SB’S ? After all, Mr Whyte needs his pension money. You haven’t mentioned anything about chico and craigie in cahoots ! Does it hurt too much ?

            • david

              His posts last night, as I pointed out, were the most vile ever posted.

            • JohnBhoy

              mick, even the posts are jumping for joy, what with the end of the wicked witch and daft Charlie’s kamikaze week.

            • mick

              @john what a week we have had what’s next it’s like a dream

            • Maybe your heroes blowing some innocent kids to pieces , would that be a great end to your week ?

            • Did you cheer jean mcconvilles abduction and murder Mick ?

            • @david

              “The Falklands was a just war , if such a contradiction exists.”

              Didn’t you insist last night that the Falklands was a “conflict”, not a “war”?
              Bit of a conflict there, no?

            • Dear me, 3 TDs for asking a perfectly legitimate question?

        • ecojon

          @ Steven brennan

          I’ve been in moderation 2/3 times today so I wouldn’t worry 🙂

        • Maggie

          @Steven Brennan
          Me too Steven,can’t understand why, as I’m a good girl 🙂 and
          certainly didn’t write anything controversial compared to some of the
          stuff on here today.

        • and why am i NOT …. !

  14. hugh jampton

    The lefties and phoney lefties are spouting the usual bile over the passing away of a great prime minister – a leader – who faced the reality of a country in terminal decline, in thrall to the trade unions, and took unbelievably tough decisions to rid us of the power without responsibility that was embodied in the likes of Scargill,or Red Robbo.
    OK I know I wouldn’t have liked to work in the industries that she was accused of destroying, but I suspect not many people enjoyed going down a pit or standing in front of a furnace.
    And I concede that the community charge should have been applied to the whole country and before an ill timed revaluation was applied but anyone who hasn’t made a mistake hasn’t done much in their life.
    Anyway coal was finished as railways went to diesel or electricity. The electricity was being increasingly generated by nuclear or gas, smokeless zones and central heating redirected consumers to gas central heating, North sea oil replaced other fuel needs to a great extent.
    Shipbuilding – like a lot of other industries- if you show other nations how it’s done and give them technical assistance to get their industries up and running, (and this included a proper structure for worker representation) it shouldn’t have come as a surprise when, given the advantage of low labour costs, that their products undercut those of our bloated , overmanned, demarcated industries. Other examples cars, carpets, thread, cotton.
    I worked as an apprentice at Pressed steel, later Rootes, at Linwood.
    If there ever was an example of self-destruction this was it and don’t listen to the romantic notions in the Proclaimers ditty which wailed about Linwood no more. Rootes wanted to build the Imp in Coventry but were bribed to manufacture at Linwood, the government were trying to create jobs to employ workers from shipbuilding, now in terminal decline.
    Unfortunately the same trade unions who had helped to destroy shipbuilding were right there recruiting the new starts and already had Pressed Steel tied up in restrictive practices The likes of McAngus and Carty reminded me of Peter sellers in “I’m alright Jack”, and management not helping by allowing strikes to slow down or stop production to suit dips in the market, all very cynical all very sad.
    I really have nothing to say about war:that Edwin Starr didn’t say in his 3 minute record.
    Finally, who set up the “Spontaneous” outpouring of joy being expressed by a rabble of punks and drop outs in George Square, it wouldn’t have been our fine upstanding BBC, ? of course not !!!

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    • And the best way to do that was give the police more horses, and a heavier baton! Give them powers to restrict freedom of movement, throughout this land, of the people of this land. Destroy whole communities, and put the nation’s eggs in the finance and services basket. Great idea that turned out to be!
      A policy that eventually led to the current banking crisis, brought about by the greed and corruption that was covetted by those very policies. Obviously you did alright Jack!

      • ecojon

        @ barcabuster

        You really must keep up with the times. The heavier batons were causing tendonitis and were withdrawn and the much lighter tasers introduced. So much more humane for users and victims 🙂

        • We used to travel down to Yorkshire with my gaffer who was also our shop steward. I was an apprentice at the time and “technically” not there.
          His reasoning, for the support, which subsequently proved true, was, “We will be next!”.
          Trust me bud. They were batons, and even the occasional pick shaft!!
          The police were utterly ruthless, and at times, appeared to be out of control.
          I must say, the good people of Yorkshire, took great heart when the “Jocks” turned up, and even though they genuinely had nowt, they shared what little they did have.
          Lovely people, and worthy of support.

          • richboy

            And the union protesters simply went along with daffodils and warm greetings for the police. Believe me, my brother was a copper, and he says these union protesters were the most filthy scum he ever had to deal with. Even worse than Old Firm scum. What does that tell you?

            • It tells me whose side the police are really on! Not on the side of the people they are paid to protect. That’s for sure. No doubt your brother’s family were well fed and clothed by the increased overtime. Ask your brother if he would have protested had somebody taken it from him. Ask him if he ever seen officers waving money in the face of protestors….I did!

            • iain

              Even Neil Kinnock stated last night that the miners strike would have ended much, much earlier had Scargill been open to reasonable compromise.
              Instead he was a revolutionary communist who though he could bring down the government.

              Whats the old adage?
              Started the strike with a large union and a small house – ended it in a large house with a small union!

            • ecojon

              @richboy

              Surprised your brother could make the comparison as I didn’t think there were any cops alive from when there was active mines in Glasgow.

              The clashes with the police were the most violent I have ever experienced and both sides were equally responsible. This truly was a fight to the death and well-recognised by the miners who knew they had zilch chance of winning but they fought anyway for their jobs, their union and their way of life. Good things to fight for IMO.

            • JohnBhoy

              It tells us that your brother was scum.

          • ecojon

            @barcabuster

            I did manage a few forays south myself and like you say they are good people and like all mining communities were ground into the dust – even the scab areas got their just ‘reward’ when their usefulness had passed.

    • ecojon

      @Hugh Jampton

      You talk about Thatcher: ‘Who faced the reality of a country in terminal decline’. Pity she threw petrol on the bonfire with her economics of the madhouse which obviously didn’t work.

      This wonderful and brilliant Tory leader was brutally knifed by her own colleagues so perhaps you should turn your ire on them and leave those who wish to celebrate to express their civil liberties.

      I am of an age where I find it hard to express glee at anyone’s death as I get daily closer to my own 😦

      But if a march is organised in Glasgow or nearby then I will be there to help bury all that she stood for and in memory of the many miners and their families who suffered at her bloody hands. Joining the miners in their Gala days were a big part of what made me a socialist and I will always remember those, many now gone, who fought not just to preserve their jobs but their communities.

      I am enough of a realist to know that their way of working and life was changing – and so did they. But she followed a scorched-earth policy with a zealotry which hadn’t a trace of humanity. In time when all the MSM tripe has settled then history will eventually paint the true picture of her tyranny at home and abroad.

    • coatbrigbhoy

      Coal in the UK – 2012

      The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations.

      Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year’s amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.)

      Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK’s electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%).

      (Source – DECC statistics)
      UK Coal Imports

      Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK’s energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation’s requirements are imported.

      CoalImp – the Association of Coal Importers – believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely.

    • coatbrigbhoy

      ” I suspect not many people enjoyed going down a pit or standing in front of a furnace.”

      Do you reckon they were far happier getting dole money?
      then getting called scroungers for being on benefits,

  15. HoudiniBhoy

    The Falklands “Conflict” in many respects saved our Navy as John Nott was preparing to decimate it. Not only that but it highlighted the frailties of what ships were built with, cheap nasty materials that when on fire would produce fumes that killed far quicker than anyone could escape. It undoubtedly changed the path of that Conservative government and there’s nothing like a good war to get the masses flagwaving and put money in defence contractors’ pockets.

    There is much that woman and her government had to answer for but nonetheless I found it distasteful the amount of people who revelled in her death like it was a form of victory. It is a sad reflection upon humanity when death is celebrated in such a way. To mark her death with dignified silence is far more befitting and proves that we are better than she was, to celebrate it only makes us like her and her ilk..

  16. Marching on Together

    “she needed a ‘good’ war to ensure electoral survival” Utter myth. The last opinion poll published before the Argentinian invasion had the Tories ahead.

    Glad to see that you believe in rewarding the fascist Argentinian aggressors for their actions.

    • ecojon

      @Marching on Together

      Perhaps she needed a ‘good’ war to preserve her against the enemy within – who eventually did for her anyway.

    • gortnamona

      MOT
      Just a pity that there was never a British PM to stand up to the Protestant Unionist/Orange/R.U.C. fascist regime in N. ireland.

    • parmahamster

      A lie. A whopping, Chuck-like, howling lie.

      The last opinion poll before the Falklands kicked off had her approval rating at 8%. Eight. Per. Cent. Jesus, Roy Jenkins, David Steel and Michael Foot had better ratings than she did. Three million unemployed and you think the Tories were ahead? The SDP had a better chance of forming the next government than the Tories did!

      • Marching on Together

        Well you clearly know how to tell a lie. The last opinion poll before the invasion had the Tories one point ahead of the SDP, who had been ahead for most of the inter. Labour were in third.

        Nothing like a deranged socialist for trying to rewrite history.

        • Marching on Together

          “who had been ahead for most of the winter”

        • JohnBhoy

          Total wanker.

          • Maggie

            @JohnBhoy
            Going with a theme I see JB,
            The addition of “total” adds a little something I feel 🙂

          • Marching on Together

            Child-abusing, deluded socialist, mass murdering fascist racist scum without an intelligent thought in your body, parasiting off the rest of us.

            The saints and all the angels will dance on your grave when your time comes.

            • JohnBhoy

              Ha ha. Long live trade unions! Long live socialism! Thatcher is dead! Capitalism is dead! You’re brain dead lol.

            • Marching on Together

              Capitalism is dead? Then how do you manage to post that without your capitalist electricity, capitalist computer/smartphone, capitalist operating system, capitalist software, and capitalist broadband supplier? You’re not brain dead – socialists never had one, nor a heart neither.

            • gortnamona

              You have got real problem with communication MOT bhoy.
              Maybe not entirely your own fault, signs of the inherited ignorance syndrome in your attitude.

            • Steven brennan

              Who are you talking about?
              And by the way I don’t like you very much, your posts are not nice.

            • Shameful, just shameful.

  17. Coyote Briggs

    Maggie Thatcher will be cremated.

    Burn the witch i hear you say

  18. Coyote Briggs

    A fantastic read from the huffington post- Enjoy

    The reactions and tributes to Margaret Thatcher’s death have, perhaps above all else, illustrated the way in which modern conservatives have emptied the words ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ of all meaning and import.

    “The world has lost a true champion of freedom and democracy,” declaimed Nancy Reagan.

    “She believed in the power of liberty, individual freedom and the rule of law,” argued former Tory minister Virginia Bottomley.

    “The freedom of the individual stood at the core of her beliefs,” claimed Germany’s very own Iron Lady, Angela Merkel, while Poland’s foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, called Thatcher a “fearless champion of liberty”.

    The Economist magazine hailed the late Tory leader’s “willingness to stand up to tyranny” and “bet on freedom”.

    And it wasn’t just card-carrying conservatives who lined up to laud Thatcher as an unflinching defender and promoter of democracy; self-professed liberals joined in with the encomiums too. Echoing Nancy Reagan, US president Barack Obama, for instance, described Britain’s Iron Lady as “one of the great champions of freedom and liberty”.

    I suspect, however, that the citizens of countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iraq, South Africa and Chile might disagree. The inconvenient truth for Thatcher fans is that the freedom-loving, democracy-defending British premier was a close friend and admirer of the thugs, thieves, despots and racists who ruled over those nations in the 1980s.

    “In Pakistan, Margaret Thatcher was best known for supporting General Zia ul Haq’s military dictatorship,” tweeted Time magazine’s Pakistan correspondent Omar Waraich yesterday, referring to the Iron Lady’s anticommunist alliance with the country’s vicious, Islamist dictator. In a speech at a banquet hosted by Zia in 1981, Thatcher praised the general’s “courage and skill” and toasted “the health and happiness of His Excellency”. She made no reference to the need for democracy or elections in the self-styled ‘Islamic Republic”.

    Consider also the case of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Remember the infamous Al Yamamah arms deal with the corrupt and totalitarian Saudis, signed by the Thatcher government in the mid-eighties and described by the Campaign Against The Arms Trade (CAAT) as “the largest ever UK arms contract with a foreign customer” and by the Financial Times as “the biggest [UK] sale ever of anything to anyone”? Well, she was just batting for British business, right? Wrong. Thatcher shamelessly praised the Saudi regime, an absolute monarchy and exporter of Islamist terror, as “a strong force for moderation and stability” at a Chatham House conference in 1993, three years after leaving office. “I am a great admirer of Saudi Arabia,” she proclaimed, adding: “I have no intention of meddling in that country’s internal affairs.” How the repressed women of Saudi Arabia, denied not just the right to vote but the right to drive, must have cheered this supposed feminist icon back in 1993.

    How about General Suharto of Indonesia, whose 32-year dictatorship was rightly described by the New York Times as “one of the most brutal and corrupt of the 20th century”? Suharto’s military coup in 1965 was followed by the torture and killing of around 500,000 suspected Communists in Indonesia; his invasion and occupation of East Timor in 1975 resulted in the deaths of around 250,000 men, women and children on the island – yet the liberty-loving Thatcher later celebrated this blood-soaked Indonesian tyrant as “one of our very best and most valuable friends”.

    How about the bloodiest dictator of them all, Saddam Hussein? According to investigative reporters David Leigh and Rob Evans, it was on Thatcher’s watch that “£1bn of Whitehall money was thrown away in propping up Saddam Hussein’s regime and doing favours for arms firms”.

    In fact, we now know that the Thatcher government began selling arms – sorry, “non-lethal equipment” that just happened to include spare parts for tanks and fighter jets – to Iraq as early as 1981. A letter from junior minister Thomas Trenchard to the PM in that same year explained how a meeting with Saddam would represent “a significant step forward in establishing a working relationship with Iraq which … should produce both political and major commercial benefits”. Thatcher’s response? “Very pleased” she scribbled by hand at the top of Trenchard’s letter.

    Seven years later, after the Baathist dictator deployed chemical weapons in his now-notorious attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja, Thatcher did not merely turn a blind eye to the atrocity; she and her ministers actively played down reports that the Iraqi regime had used poison gas against its own people. “Within a month of the Halabja attack,” wrote US investigative journalist Barry Lando in his book on Iraq, ‘Web of Deceit’, “Thatcher’s trade secretary, Tony Newton, was in Baghdad to offer Saddam 340 million pounds of British export credits.”

    This, I guess, is how liberty is championed and freedom is secured.

    Then there’s apartheid South Africa, where millions of black people were denied the most basic of liberties – and yet this British champion of liberty had little to offer them by way of support. “Thatcher resisted global efforts to isolate apartheid-era South Africa, including by vetoing sanctions,” wrote the Washington Post’s foreign affairs blogger Max Fisher yesterday. “Though she opposed apartheid as a policy, she still supported the government that implemented it…”

    In fact, in 1984, Thatcher defied tens of thousands of anti-apartheid demonstrators and invited P.W. Botha to Chequers: the first South African premier to visit the UK since his country’s departure from the Commonwealth in 1961.

    Oh, and who can forget her despicable description of Nelson Mandela’s ANC as a “typical terrorist organisation”? Is it any wonder then that Dali Tambo, son of the former ANC president Oliver Tambo, told the Guardian that “it’s quite likely that when Margaret Thatcher reaches the pearly gates, the ANC will boycott the occasion”. It’s a shame, he noted, “that we could never call her one of the champions of the liberation struggle”.

    Apologists for the Iron Lady tend to excuse such shameful and anti-democratic behaviour by their heroine by invoking realpolitik and citing the backdrop of the Cold War and the struggle against Soviet communism.

    Such arguments are both disingenuous and unconvincing. They don’t, for a start, explain Thatcher’s close, personal friendship with Augusto Pinochet, which continued long after the Cold War had ended and long after both leaders had left office? The Chilean general presided over a 17-year reign of terror in which a minimum of 3,000 people were killed or ‘disappeared’, tens of thousands were imprisoned and tortured and hundreds of thousands were forced into exile.

    Yet in 1999, when Pinochet was arrested and detained in London on a Spanish warrant, Thatcher – who, in the words of Virginia Bottomley, believed in “the power of liberty” and “the rule of law” – visited Pinochet at the former dictator’s rented Surrey mansion to thank him for “bringing democracy to Chile” and to denounce his arrest as “unjust and callous”. There was no mention of the ‘desaparecidos’ (disappeared) from our former prime minister on that particular occasion.

    “She recognised… the benefits of the military government,” declared retired Chilean general and
    Pinochet underling Guillermo Garin yesterday, adding: “President Pinochet always had tremendous admiration for her, they had a very close relationship highlighted by the visit she made to his place of detention in London.”

    Forget the row over who gets credit for the fall of the Soviet Union – Mikhail Gorbachev or Reagan and Thatcher. If (wo)man is judged by the company (s)he keeps, then Thatcher – self-professed friend to generals Pinochet, Suharto and Zia, ally of Saddam Hussein, admirer of the Saudi royals, soft on apartheid – must be judged a champion of despotism and dictatorship, not of freedom or liberty. The historical record is so clear and indisputable that to believe otherwise is wilful blindnes

  19. Its significant that the “outpouring of memories” are distinctly poles apart.
    The establishment, and not all by any means are in sympathy and looking forward to her grand exit while the real people remember and recall the hurt heartache pain and suffering she instigated and cast upon nations and peoles all over the world.

    Let us never forget that she supported dictators in the worst kind Pol Pott the his ruthless followers the CR, Pinochett in chile, supported apatheid in RSA. condemmed The great Nelson Mandella as a terrorist, stood by and allowed 10 brave men in Ireland to give their lives for social justice in a common state when none was necessary, murdered countless innocents on both sides of the divide in Ireland, instigated the conflict with Argentina when diplomancy was available to save her political skin, destroyed communities that had existed for hundreds of years in the space of one. Destroyed homes families and communities in the most deprived regions of the UK never to recover again then hailed “ones self” as the new royalty on the block.

    These are the lasting memories that should be attributed to her, not the media frenzy that was portrayed by the MSM yesterday and again today.

    I never wish ill on anyone but she is an undoubted exception I hope she rots in hell where she belongs, may my god forgive me.

    • iain

      ” stood by and allowed 10 brave men in Ireland to give their lives for social justice in a common state when none was necessary”

      Oh my goodness that really does take the biscuit! 🙂 Again…who could be bothered responding to most of that skewed nonsense? But by way of a response to that one part, I’ll quote the great lady herself….
      “”Mr. Sands has the choice to live or die, something he didn’t afford his victims.””

      • Marching on Together

        Chicken suppers all round?

      • richboy

        “”Mr. Sands has the choice to live or die, something he didn’t afford his victims.””

        Says it all really. Maggie did have the art of simplifying things.

        • mick

          MP BOBBY SANDS GOD REST HIS SOUL IN HEAVEN WITH ALL THE OTHER SAINTS FROM EARTH ,THATCHERS DEEDS WOULD HAVE SHAMED THE DEVIL HIMSELF H.H.

          • iain

            You have him beatified now?
            I’m sure your church will be delighted.

            Out of interest, what miracle did he perform?

            • Marching on Together

              The miracle of the chicken supper.

            • JohnBhoy

              God bless Bobby Sands.

            • JohnBhoy

              He put a rocket up Thatcher and her government’s arse. God bless him.

            • mick

              bobby was similar to Jesus he believed in fairness and justice for all and died for us to learn this hail hail saint bobby sands in heaven smiling laughing at all the children he died for watching them having fun laughing god rest his soul and god bless the family that gave us him

            • Marching on Together

              billy was similar to Jesus he believed in fairness and justice for all and died for us to learn this hail hail saint billy fullerton in heaven smiling laughing at all his boys he died for watching them having fun laughing god rest his soul and god bless the family that gave us him

      • JohnBhoy

        Only a wanker says “Oh my goodness”.

        • david

          Bobby Sands was similar to Jesus?
          What a PERVERSION of religion.

          Only a bigoted idiot would make such a statement.
          ” Thou shalt not kill “

  20. ecojon

    @Maes

    Normally I ignore people who try to drag us deeper into the cesspit of bigotry. But perhaps we should all move to the Falklands as they seem to live forever – at least over 100 years by your reckoning. If we also take your reckoning a stage further the East India Company Sahibs should still be lording it over the native peoples of the Indian sub-continent as was before partition and independence.

    And what about the District Officers in Africa – if they had been better at their job we would still have our Empire and our enforcers would still be living off the sweat of the local populations. I totally cut myself off from a branch of my family who emigrated to South Africa in the 60s. They came home for a visit and at a party the women were all chattering about the move from twin tubs to automatic washing machines. My wife innocently asked what machines were used in South Africa to be told: ‘Oh we don’t have any washing machines’.

    As the shock and horror was expressed at how hard things must be for them she explained: ‘We have an old guy lives in a hut at the bottom of the garden who does the washing’. Things went downhill from there as I realised how easily two good trade-unionists who used to have principles had been seduced by the ‘luxury’ provided by basically slave labour.

    Re Falklanders liking their life there I have no problem with that but I didn’t then and I don’t think now that the islands were worth the life of one British soldier and I feel exactly the same about Afghanistan. I also resent your attitude towards our troops – many of them had little choice over the centuries but to take the ‘shilling’ to escape starvation and poverty. Few, even today, have a truly free choice. And as to an honest fight – don’t make me laugh – a limping, worn-out Belgrano presenting no immediate dangers torpedoed by a state of the art submarine. And the French colluding with Argentina over the Exocet missiles which wrought havoc on our pathetically under-defended ships – there was nothing honest about the bloody carnage which followed and could have been avoided.

    As to your 400,000 Protestants perhaps you should alert the Church of Scotland to their presence, wherever they are, as I think they are sorely needed to prop-up the church which is the case with a lot of organised religions these days including the Catholic Church.

    But if Ireland’s history is important to you, as you would seem to have us believe, then why haven’t you discussed the Plantations and how a Protestant population came to exist in Ireland. But the colonisation actually stretches much further back than the Plantations – which Scots were heavily involved in and for which this country suffers to this day – all the way to the 1100s.

    Dinosaurs like you will remain wedded to history when it suits and appear not to wish to learn the lessons and the consequences of destroying other cultures for economic gain which was enthusiastically pursued by many colonial cultures before and after the British Empire.

    I would rather try and accept Ireland – and that means both parts of the island – as a work in transition to a better life for all in an open and tolerant society. And that means no solutions being imposed on them but a gradual accommodation with each other which may, or may not, lead to a unified Ireland. I have no view on that as I truly believe it is a decision which must be made by the Islanders.

    The neanderthals who continually point back to a more ‘glorious’ time for their particular faction or religion are roadblocks on that pathway but they will be removed eventually through the will of the vast majority of the people – I truly believe that because ordinary people want to live a life without fear from terrorism from whatever source. I never ever thought I would live long enough to see how far Ireland, as a whole, has come and it speaks volumes for the sensible people on both sides of the Border and religious divide.

  21. iain

    What a hate filled and bitter piece of nonsense.
    Where to start with it?
    Actually better not to bother, let our hero Eco and his acolytes outdo each other in their bile and hatred while slapping each others backs on how right they are.

  22. ecojon

    And just to show that life goes on 🙂

    Rangers International
    69.90p
    -0.60p (-0.85%)

    First time that Rangers shares have slipped below the 70p mark paid by Bears. They obviously have already fallen below the 76p flotation price.

    Looks as though the only way is down – I wonder when Malcolm Murray the chairman will need to walk away from the racist remarks which are fine for the bosses at Rangers but not OK for the little people employed there according to the man in charge and largest shareholder in the company.

    Many times before Fergus I would be angry at the old Celtic family Dynasties and how they used my club. Watching the current unfolding circus at Ibrox I realise we got off very lightly.

    I wonder if the recent higher temperatures will actually wake the Bears from their slumbers before their club goes down again?

    • Budweiser

      ecojon.

      I suppose it depends on what price the ‘ locked -in ‘ institutional investors paid for their shares. It must be worrying for them though, and I wonder at what point they consider the lock-ins as legally flawed, given the current allegations . Chico,imo, has again played a blinder, by playing, quite deliberately, the racism card, to deflect attention from craigies’ claims. I mean where did that all come from, totally ‘out of the blue ‘? No interviewer asked him about anything to do with ‘ darkies or Pakis’ – indeed there was no mention at all,no discussion about ‘political correctness ‘, yet he comes out with this utter guff and hey ho! the media jump on to it – to the exclusion
      of any meaningful questions about his ‘frontman role’. What a guy !!

      • ecojon

        @Budweiser – worth watching Green on STV tonight as one of the things he will be talking about is how he agreed to ‘rehabilitate’ CW. This is the guy that he doesn’t know – shades of AA creeping in or perhaps GA might be more appropriate or could it be SA (Spivs Anonymous).

        I add the latter because Green has declared that the names of all the Rangers investors are known publicly. Oh Yea?

  23. Jamie

    Billy Bragg says it much better than I could

    “This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

    Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise”

    • richboy

      Billy Bragg is a pathetic human being. Prime Minister Thatcher took this country from the brink of socialist inspired meltdown to prosperity. Unfortunately subsequent socialist governments have ensured the country will remain in poverty for generations to come.

      • mick

        richboy your pathetic and your name sums it up

      • Feztic1957

        Yeah we’re rolling in cash really prosperous, currency downgraded, billions to bail out the banks, we’re still recovering from her legacy now. I think you’re mistaking a few people’s personal gain (wealth) over the state of the UK’s economy. Free market economics got us here made a few people well off and left the rest of us mugs to sort it out.

      • Jamie

        Things will be better when your club eventually goes the way of old MT and I’ll raise a glass to that yah FUDD!

      • JohnBhoy

        Ah, but Thatcher’s deid, just like your club, and Billy’s no.

      • josephmcgrath112001809

        Thank goodness the bankers managed to save us from poverty. I’m glad we didn’t have to bail them out. Keep the bonuses flowing – there is still more we can steal from the poor.

    • Budweiser

      Ken [ red ken] Livingstone said much the same yesterday, including ” She brought in DLA’s sa a means of reducing the unemployment figures – the present govt is still trying to address the issue”.
      On the benefits issue, another commentator said that the Queen was the biggest benefit scrounger in the UK today – bedroom tax on buckie palace anyone ?

      • iain

        So the present government are actually correct in clamping down on DLA and other benefit abuses?

        • Budweiser

          iain.

          Are you saying that all the disabled people claiming DLA are benefit abusers?
          The need to ‘address the benefit issues ‘ arose in the first place, because of the catastophic failure and subequent collapse of the global banking system.
          The consequent need to ‘ save the banking systems ‘ by the billions spent on buying out the banks [ not only in the UK, but in USA and Europe ] and the susequent ‘ Quantitave Easing ‘ where globally Thousands of BILLIONS
          were thrown at the ‘ Markets ‘ in a desperate attempt to shore up the SYSTEM. The present govts of UK and USA still haven’t addressed the underlying problems by strict regulation of the banks . Huge bonuses are still being paid despite heavy losses and continuing scandals, the underlying casino banking culture is still thriving – but hey! let’s keep blaming the poorest and those most unable to defend themselves for the mess we are in!
          After all if the papers and tv say it’s true – then it must be right? Do you never think of anything or research a subject without checking your material?

          • iain

            You are the one who quoted Red Ken saying that DLA was brought in ti make unemployment figures good. SO we have to assume you agree. And by extension it can be assumed you think it is correct now to address the issue?

            Or are you saying the Tories were bad then for brining it in, but bad now for trying to bring it under control?

            Cake and eat it?

            • Budweiser

              iain.

              I agree with Livingston [ and many others ] that the measure was brought in by Thatcher as a means of reducing unemployment ‘ at a stroke’ – along with Yop schemes and other ‘ statistical massaging techniques’.
              If people are ‘ abusing the benefit system ‘ in any way they should be brought to book amd prosecuted where necessary.
              I disagree with the present ‘reforms’ as a ‘one size fits all’ system which takes no cognisance of individual needs or cicumstances.
              Do you agree with the bedroom tax ? Should the libdems have pushed harder for their ‘ mansion tax’? Should the ‘reform’ downwards of the richest taxpayers be reversed? Could the govt have saved £100 Billion by scrapping Trident? Should we pull out of Afghanistan immediately, and save billions? Could the govt use these savings to fund ‘Infrastructural Growth’, thus creating jobs,raising tax payments, and reducing welfare payments?
              All choices which COULD be made – instead they target the poorest and most vulnerable as a matter of priority – and yes, ‘middle England’ backs them – no change there!
              Do you agree that the people on benefits [ many where they are because of ‘The Recession ‘] are the same people who were the most unlikely to have caused ‘The Crisis’?

            • iain

              It’s rally quite simple.
              We have a benefits system we simply can’t afford.
              Hundreds of thousands have made a lifestyle choice to live out their days at our expense. This must be addressed.

              The cheap soundbite is that this is somehow “blaming the poor” for the current economic climate. It isn’t. It is simply addressing something which should have been properly addressed years ago.

              Oh…and there is no “bedroom tax”.

            • Budweiser

              iain.

              It’s really simple. [ If you get all your info from Daily Mail or The Torygraph ]
              We have a nuclear ‘deterrent’ which we can’t afford.
              We are participating in wars we can’t afford.
              We reward companies which promote and partake in ‘Aggressive Tax Avoidance’ schemes , costing the British Taxpayer Billions [ George Osbourne ] btw Rangers come into this category!

        • Marching on Together

          It’s an existentialist threat to the Celtic support!

    • Maggie

      @Jamie
      Thanks for posting that,I couldn’t agree more with the sentiments
      expressed.Mrs Thatcher’s “revolution” did indeed lead to where we
      find ourselves today.
      I am the daughter of a miner,so you will know my feelings as regards
      Mrs Thatcher’s reign,but I must say that I’ve been incredibly shocked
      at the expressions of hatred,and gatherings to celebrate,the death of
      an old,frail lady who had suffered years of ill health and who had been,
      all but abandoned,by her shifty,useless son and her vacuous,idiotic
      daughter.
      You can abhor the acts of her government,and should,but
      where is the charity or compassion for a fellow human being,whom
      none of us actually knew personally ? I’d just like to add my piece,
      concentrating on the personal rather than the politic.

      Reading some of the articles in today’s paper it’s quite clear that
      Margaret Thatcher was an exceptionally clever,driven woman who
      succeeded in her career at the expense of her relationship with her
      children.For this,she seems to have paid the ultimate price of having
      spent her old age,alone and infirm,with only paid companions,even
      spending Christmases apart from her children and grandchildren.
      That she died alone in the The Ritz Hotel,speaks volumes.

      I recall a quote from Jackie Kennedy Onassis which went along the
      lines of : ” if you mess up bringing up your children,then nothing
      else much matters” I think Mrs Thatcher paid a heavy personal
      price in this area.
      Reading this quote from her today,left me feeling very sad indeed
      for her ” Home is where you come to when you have nothing
      better to do”

  24. Geddy Lee

    Thatcher’s biggest crime , in Scottish eyes, was the suppression of the McCrone Report. it showed that the Scottish economy could stand on it’s own 2 feet , no trouble at all, if Independent.

    Thatch’s reaction to the report was to have it classified TOP SECRET and then bury ied it. The Tories then systematically
    went about dismantling as much of Scotlands manufacturing, and Industrial base, in a desperate effort to bring Scotland to it’s knees, banking on the countries zombie like vote “Fur the union”.

    Labour of course, stood by wringing their hands, powerless to do anything as usual, and thus Scotland suffered.

    When the English finally tired of her, and brought back the corrupt Labour party, they agreed to keep the McCrone report TOP SECRET.

    Because we are unique as a nation and have a majority of the population who feel they and their fellow Scots are incapable of governing our own affairs, Scotland will continue to be victims of hideous characters like Thatcher Blair and Brown.

    Nothing will change until the majority of Scots get up off their knees and vote to take responsibility for their children’s futures, and stop leaving it to London to decide what’s best for Scotland and it’s people.

    Voting for any monkey flashing a union jack dooms the country to second hand status for the foreseeable future.

    • Really if anybody on here really think that a PM has absolute power then dream on , MT was a front for an extreme right wing think tank made up of some serious movers and shakers , these guys were too extreme for tories own think tank . They had enough of union power and knew what they wanted , no different to Ronald Regan you only have to look whose benefiting to see whose in control. As they say follow the money.
      As with Princess Diana no real reason to mourn her or to be glad she is being planted , save my tears for my own family & friends

      • ecojon

        @thoughtsfromthenortheast

        I have never attended a funeral from my early 20s onward unless I respected the person who has died. Tears and memories should be reserved for those we loved and those who tried to make a little bit of a difference when they were alive.

        Sadly I will not be able to forget Thatcher because her apologists need to be hammered down whenever and wherever they appear.

    • ecojon

      @Geddy Lee

      I will never forget the SNP treachery which ushered in the Tory era and neither should any socialist living in Scotland.

      I have much more in common with socialists in England than the Charlotte Square moneymen.

  25. Pensionerbhoy

    Ecojon

    As usual you have expressed many of my sentiments posted in the comments yesterday far better than I ever can. I too well understand the deep, deep resentment towards an individual who single handedly destroyed so much in our communities and families at every level and at every age. I too was at the receiving end of some of it and certainly witnessed the destruction reaped in the Motherwell area with the closure of Ravenscraig. I am also well aware that it may have been relatively minor compared with the mines, The Faulklands and the social greed. But, in spite of all of that, I believe I will be merely stooping to her inhuman level if I were to have recourse to grading language. I will, therefore, refrain and remain silent in the hope she and the memories of her insidious activities disappear post haste.

    • iain

      Do you own your own home Pensionerbhoy?

      • mick

        she only mortgaged the council stock cause her mates got divided from the interest and also it ment the house sold via private company’s would have less council all her actions were for profit and all the profit went to torys scum and full of hot air the lot of them

      • mick

        Iain do you own your own home why if your Scottish are you defending thatcher your scum and why you asking peoples economics just because you own a house doesn’t make you a better person a hope the recession is killing you and you have to down grade and the people round you sus your mentality and make your life hell eat the rich’s hearts if hungry thats what a say then sell there rolex for a holiday lol

      • Pensionerbhoy

        iain

        I have been otherwise occupied till now. I am truly sorry for my lack of intelligence but can you please explain to me the relevance of your comment to what I wrote? I am absolutely baffled but then I often am.

  26. mick

    GREAT READ ECOJON VERY IMPARTIAL AND BALANCED CONSIDERING THE TOPIC ,

    am glad shes gone there only burning her so not to give a workie the pleasure of digging her hole lol she was as evil as the voters she represents dog eat dog wave your wade at the geezer in the gutter she removed empathy social awareness from the nation and killed millions round the world and here in the uk with her policies if am condemned to hell a will kill her agian she died in a bed at the ritz lol hope it was alone

    • iain

      The very first sentence of this “impartial and balanced” piece.

      “I have had many thoughts over the milk-snatcher’s death and have tried hard to control the hatred I once felt for her over the savage destruction not just of the mining industry but of the tight-knit communities and their people also destroyed as part of their punishment for opposing the Tories and bringing them down”

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      • ecojon

        @iain

        I did not claim the piece was balanced nor impartial – in view of my of my political history and personal experiences it would be impossible to achieve those objectives – worthy when dealing with a normal human being but not one crazed with power and the destruction of working class people and further advancement of the already wealthy.

        And am I actually bothered about anything you think of me or say about me – I leave you to draw your own conclusion 🙂

  27. JimBhoy

    @Eco on the Chico comments issues of late… He has known about the Whytegate stuff coming for months now apparently and his prescribed replies have been incredible even for him. And then the P**y comment… Is he working his ticket out? Can he effectively be sacked and still pick up his wedge? OR can he be dismissed (sandaza like) for Gross misconduct and leave with nothing?

    The best for Chico and Whyte is for them to go to battle through the courts and effectively they both lose their ill gotten gains in doing so, justice at last for two men who know the system and work it to the detriment of the wage slaves, the ordinary man in the street.. Power to the people, Wolfie Smith rocks..

    • ecojon

      @JimBhoy

      I genuinely can’t remember anything like this in my lifetime – I did have a helluva lot of laughs with Anna Grunt and Rotary Tools but nothing as funny as Chico and Rangers.

      Every time you think the comedy has ended up pops Chico with another music hall jamboree of slapstick comedy. And this is the club supposedly with ‘Dignity’ as its middle name 🙂

      STV should be good for a laugh tonight when Green explains how he was trying to ‘rehabilitate’ wee Craigie – I’m sure that will go down well with the Ibrox faithful. And btw there is no mystery investors as chico says all their names are in the public domain – I won’t hold my breath for a reaction coming from the MSM.

      But, truly it can’t continue – the institutional investors must be going crackers. How does Legal & General explain to its clients that they have put their investments into this madhouse circus with it’s suitably blacked-up Al Jolson cameo experiences.

      Seems Green did play at Woksop – late 70s – but haven’t tracked his fellow winger that he spoke of. But did spot last night that when Green retired from Football at 28 he went into the hotel trade which I had never known before.

      He certainly would have made a great waiter with those big hands for carrying plates and collecting tips 🙂

  28. timtim

    Politicians and politics are the smoke and mirrors of society
    They (both sides) are just a Punch and Judy show controlled
    by the real puppet masters , those who control our monetary system .
    As Amschel Rothschild famously said -“give me control of a nations
    monetary system and I care not who makes the laws. The plan is and always has been to play to both sides of the audience , what pleases the right displeases the left so change is alternatively swapped between the two . Nobody wins in the end except those who pull the strings.Thatcher was a necessity to curb the excesses of Socialism while Blair was installed
    to give people hope of a new beginning . Was Blair every bit as bad as Thatcher ? Is Obama as dictatorial as Dubya ? Their mantras are different but the end result is always the same , boom and bust , debt slavery of millions and a few elite who always always profit.

  29. mick

    thatcher and the bhuns in 12 month what next paisley lol pmsl come on agent whyte confine these sevconians to the history books to hail hail

  30. JimBhoy

    Off topic but missed this little gem…. Where is this man gonna stop, he will be in the dugout next season I reckon…

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/rangers-chief-charles-green-tells-1819472#.UWPFROR26QQ.twitter

    The haters of the rabid rangers must be loving this trainwreck of a club, IMO Chico is doing as much as he can to force them to move him out ASAP, retire him to a beach….SFA/SPL too busy trying to catch a manager swearing to look at what this man is doing to rangers and Scottish football.

    What’s it gonna take.. Waiting for Wattie and Sally to do walking away… Chico knows the baw’s burst and the SB sales for next season are hosed..

    • mcfc

      @JimBhoy

      I think Charles is setting up a defence of diminished responsibility.as the only way to leave Ibrox without being hated like Craig. “Poor Charles, he did so much for our club but now he’s gone a bit gaga”. How else can we explain his recent PR barrel scraping.

      BTW what would you give to hear all Craig’s recordings. He’s obviously dripping them out to do maximum damage – you can’t shaft a shafter.

      PS Charles,as we close the interview, just one last question, what’s your favourite knob joke ?

      • ecojon

        @ mcfc

        I am convinced that there must be tapes which could have a racist connotation as this whole issue seems to have blown chico totally of course. I have never seen him struggle like this before – the STV interview yesterday was an textbook on body analysis as he shifted, squirmed and didn’t know where to look.

        But there are certainly more tapes on the go – I have absolutely no doubt about that. I’m actually beginning to believe that wee Craigie might be just the man to decide that if he is going down then so is everyone else. Sometimes true courage comes in unusual packages in my experience.

        • mcfc

          @eco

          agree – more tapes and more PR nightmares for TRFC are on their way. I can’t imagine Craig coming out well – either financially or reputation-wise but I can imagine him doing his utmost to share the pain. I rather think that in the rush to demonize Craig, many have forgotten that he was a skillful operator in a shady world – after all he got Ticketus to cough up for 3 years of season tickets when it was obvious that RFC was a total basket case.

          Let the battle of the shysters begin.

    • Budweiser

      JimBhoy.

      BBC news reports sally as saying” he has had no talks with chico re his coaching staff”.

      • not nearly dead but really dead

        That i do beleive, Charles green is running the show(for now 😉 ) not ally, and ally knows it

    • Raymilland

      @JimBhoy

      You’ll probably be too young to remember Hughie Green in TV shows ‘Double Your Money’ and ‘Opportunity Knocks’. Contestant’s scores were determined by how loud a studio audience applause appeared on a ‘clapometer’; an arrow moved from left to right across the bottom of the TV screen (state of the art technology of the early 1960’s).

      From the clip below, it can be seen that Hughie was a bit of a lad; he had a ‘love child’ or two kept secret from his adoring public. I don’t know if Charlie boy is one of them or not; although going by the titles of the above TV shows he would have been a natural front man seeing that he recognises an opportunity when he sees one.

      With the prize money firmly in the bank; it is now time to say thank you and goodnight; “I mean that most sincerely”.

      A pesky contract won’t stand in the way of Mr. Green; all he need do is make a proper Charlie of himself and Scottish football. You can bet your boots that between now and August (the next scheduled boardroom meeting at Ibrox) there will be one ‘gaff’ after another from Chuckles; in fact we should set our very own ‘crapometer’ to record the extent of gobshite Mr Green makes public in the coming weeks.

      There is no stopping Mr. Green; in fact The Sky’s the Limit.

  31. Ed Paisley

    Thank you for todays blog ecojon. The best you could say about Mrs Thatcher was that she was for the majority. I firmly believe that the stark and growing inequality that Mrs Thatcher fostered has damaged our country and this will persist for generations to come.
    Yes, Mrs Thatcher spent her last days in the Ritz Hotel being comforted by the low paid workers she must have despised. Meanwhile the son she idolised (and dragged about the Middle East, for him to mop up arms deals), clearly can’t be bothered coming home for her cremation. I will have no tears for her passing.

  32. JimBhoy

    Gotta check out Leggo Sticklebricks attempt at defending Chico’s reply to the Whyte exclusive, cringeworthy and very very unconvincing, sounds like a man holding onto the last iota of truth and hope with the spectre of the snake-oil salesman coming back with a vengeance to haunt the old senile hack…. As for a summary of Chico as my old fenian Granny used to say a leopard can’t change it’s spots… Not even the snow leopard I adopted when my PPI came in.. 🙂

  33. ecojon

    @ JimBhoy

    Looks as though Leggo has been left outside the laager once more – perhaps like others at Ibrox his usefulness is coming to an end and he can hardly go back to his snake oil serpent days 🙂

  34. mick

    because the milk snatcher sold the council stock 30 years later due to 3 million people living with parents and family if they are luck some in bedsits and so on the gov is having to invest in private housing hoping by helping give company’s money they will reduce the price its in the news all the time am a builder and to build the amount needed would take 30 years 3mil officially homeless in the UK via Tory policies its all supply and demand keeps the price high now there under pressure about it young torys cant get on the ladder as much as well

  35. Geddy Lee

    ecojon, are you suggesting the SNP should have voted with the disasterous Labour Party at the time ????

    The SNP are a means to an end, ie Independence.

    After that had been achieved, proper left and right leaning parties will be formed, and the “Big Bad” SNP will break up.

    The big difference is that they will not be financed and controlled by London, which is the case with the current self
    loathing unionist cabals we currently see north of the border. Also, for once, they will put Scotland before London’s interests.

    Independence is the natural state of order of practically every nation on earth EXCEPT Scotland, and of course “Norn Iron”. I think that fact speaks volumes for it’s self, especially when you consider the state of both those
    countries after centuries of English domination.

    As I said before, it’s time Scots got up off their knees and started to take responsibility for their own futures,and STOP leaving it to the Tories in London to decide what’s best for Scotland.

    “Stop the world, Scotland wants to get on”

    Winnie Ewing.

    • Seems appropriate Geddy Lee.

    • ecojon

      @ Geddy Lee

      In my long observations of politicians in many countries it is a rarity that they ever willingly give up power. I just don’t believe that in the unlikely event of Independence that the SNP would split into factions. If it did I would think it would be two factions with virtually no difference in their policies and a coalition agreement that would ensure power was retained.

      But I could be talking cr*p because I, like everyone in Scotland except a handful of people, haven’t a clue what a non-divided SNP’s position is on all the important issues that need to be clarified pre-referendum so gawd only knows what a splintered SNP position would be – but as I say that would never happen.

      However, I do my political blogging on politics sites and my areas of political interest do not extend to the SNP. But as a socialist I regard the SNPs voting down of a Labour Government to replace it with a Tory one as a gross act of treachery to working class people throughout the UK. So I’ll be voting NO and campaigning for a NO vote with all my vigour.

  36. Al ross

    Strikes me the measure of a great leader is their ability to unite their people, MT falls at the first fence. Enjoyed the piece Eco.

  37. mcfc

    We haven’t heard from Imran Ahmad about how much he enjoys the banter and camaraderie of being called a “Paki” by Charles Green. Imran here are few words you might want to weave into your forthcoming statement on the TRFC website:

    If you have a racist friend
    Now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

    Be it your sister
    Be it your brother
    Be it your cousin or your, uncle or your lover

    If you have a racist friend
    now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

    Be it your best friend
    Or any other
    Is it your husband or your father or your mother?

    Tell them to change their views
    Or change their friends
    Now is the time, now is the time, for your friendship to end

    So if you know a racist who thinks he is your friend
    Now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

    Call yourself my friend?
    Now is the time to make up your mind, don’t try to pretend

    The Specials – Racist Friend

    • JimBhoy

      @MCFC what a great win last night mate, me and the boy watched it after his game where he put away 3 free kicks himself from distance…

      I think Chico has no defence other than to try and mitigate and deflect. He stated he would have said anything to get rangers from that bad man Craigie, Aye right, pants on fire… He couldn’t really defend it any other ways and then he knew Craigie was a serial taper, Aye right, he knew that maybe a couple of months ago when Craigie was the train driver etc…

      Chico has lied all thru this to get some money in if anyone thinks differently take the blinkers off….

      I actually wonder if he is caught on tape jokingly calling his pal Imran his Paki pal and this is his way of getting it out there before the next tape hits the newspapers exposing the ‘Say anything to get his way’ serial liar.. We shall see..

      I can’t wait for the next set of deflection tactics and wonder where the Jabba fella has been in all of this, isn’t he supposed to the be the Diplomatic editor of the various rangers output to the public domain… I think Ally is now seeing he has made a right pr!ck of himself in all of this.. Wattie’s head is still beneath the parapet, investors will be looking to GTF.. Wonder what the new sponsor thinks now… Will they see SB sales in thousands? Chico now saying £10m warchest I am sure Ally is gonna be taken in by that…. Total short-termism..

      • mcfc

        @JimBhoy

        Fantastic results – but bitter sweet – cos it underlines that we have the players to win the league this year but too often we didn’t turn up – and then all the Balotelli Vs Dzeko nonsense – which i think was a big failing by Mancini – remains to be seen if he gets the chance to win it next season – FA cup win may just save him.

        As for Green – quite incredible – the whole situation has gone to his head – and with no-one to set him straight (SFA, board, media) his ego and self importance as “man of the people” have taken over.

        I bet the sponsors are checking their contracts for a way out.

        And Ally – poor wee lad – still thinks he’s getting £10m to compete in SFL2.

      • mcfc

        @JimBhoy

        I actually wonder if he is caught on tape jokingly calling his pal Imran his Paki pal and this is his way of getting it out there before the next tape hits the newspapers exposing the ‘Say anything to get his way’ serial liar.. We shall see..
        ========================================================

        Good point – that’s the nearest to a rational explanation I can think off. As for Jabba being Mr Diplomacy ? As with lawyers, PR men have to be able to see things from the other side and argue against their own case to test their case and tune it accordingly. I just don’t think Jabba is capable of that. So there we have it: Green an egomaniac racist supported by a tunnel vision PR man. Makes the story lines of “It ain’t half hot mum” sound like bloody Tolstoy

    • Maggie

      @mcfc
      Nor have we heard how he feels about being accused by Chico of
      offering Craig Whyte 3 Russian “girls” in an attempt to get him to
      part with his shares in T’Rangers.

      • Budweiser

        Maggie.

        Ken Loach declares that Thatchers funeral should be ‘ privatised’! ” Put it out to the highest tender – it’s what she would have wanted!
        On Imran ; Does a good Muslim do pimping?

        • Maggie

          @Budweiser
          It seems the funeral is turning out to be as divisive as the woman herself.
          It’s been pretty “hard core” on here today Bud.I will admit to finding it
          very difficult and unpleasant reading,so I posted my thoughts ( now
          out of moderation,thanks Paul ) and was glad when I could move onto
          commenting on Chico. The first thing I thought on reading Chico’s
          comment about Imran and the Russian “girls” was : how is this
          going to be looked on in the Muslim community ?
          Still no word,publicly at least,from Mr Ahmad,though bet he’s
          saying,and doing plenty of damage limitation ( aka shredding,allegedly)
          in private while throwing Chico to the mercy of The Sun and stv.
          Oh and btw Bud,WTH does Jabba get paid for doing at Ibrox? It
          certainly isn’t PR damage control,that’s for sure.I wonder if wee Craigie
          put in a good word for him with Chico,after all the sooking in he did.

          Wonder what will come out tomorrow……tape number 4,or is it 5
          now ?

          • Budweiser

            Maggie.

            I am unsure of the muslim ‘etiquette’ in these matters. I’m sure the mosque in glasgow will not be happy at Imrans alleged actions. Even unhappier , I would presume, would be Imran at having the allegations aired on national tv. I just bet his wife and family are ecstatic.
            Totally agree about the level of abuse flying about recently ! Thatcher tends to bring out strong passions in people, it seems she can be as divisive when she is dead as she was when she was alive.
            After charles’ recent performances it would seem that wiser heads have prevailed at Ibrox, and they are now ‘pleading the fifth’ ie no comment – it’s all in the big hands of the lawyers.
            Did you see Chris Graham on STV tonight ? Actually came across [tonight] as reasonable – ie. not blaming all and sundry for rangers woes, and very unsure of the position [sic] at Ibrox. Tom English, whilst trying not to be too overdramatical, really stuck the boot in.
            Does this mean that STV, alongside BBC, The Sun,[ owned by Sky , so THE times, Sunday Times ] The Record,[ The Mirror, Sunday Mirror, SuNDAY mAIL ],The Herald, ESPN, I’m sure there are others, will now be boycotted by the bears? How will they get there news. – Jabbanews1690@tatteredfleg.com.?
            No. I again predict that chico ‘ In the best interests of moving our great club forward’ will resign toot sweet.

  38. timtim

    So we prise ourselves from the grip of Westminster and sell our soul
    to the even bigger monstrosity that is Bruxelles ?
    I am all for Independence if we follow in the footsteps of Iceland and Norway
    (our northern neighbours) I would even go as far as forming a trading pact with them . The only reason Iceland recovered from its financial collapse
    and Ireland Spain Portugal etc have not is they werent forced to bend over
    by the euronazis

  39. coatbrigbhoy

    @ David Cameron 1
    The prime minister said it was ‘fair that we all play by the same rules’ after describing a situation where those on benefits receive a bigger income that those in work as ‘crazy’.
    @David Cameron 2
    The system we inherited was not only unaffordable.
    It also trapped people in poverty and encouraged irresponsibility.
    ***********************************

    so you get trapped in poverty by not working, you then receive benefits that provide you with a bigger income than you can earn. Funny way to be in poverty,

    Same rules, FFS. tell that to the bankers that get £1m+ bonuses even when their banks make massive losses, they then get the added bonus that their top rate tax is reduced from 50% to 45%

  40. JohnBhoy

    Bobby Sands is havin’ a jig in Heaven. God bless you Bobby. You were right – the witch went straight to Hell.

  41. mick

    the union has caved in lol there voodoo economics fxxked them lol whats next sevco admin2 yeha make mine a double spl and fa cup

  42. JOHNHBURNS

    Yes I was against Thatcher in those days, however there needed to be change as Britain WAS the sick man of Europe and was swirling round the drain of economic oblivion.

    Thatcher’s methodology was draconian and transformation from old loss-making industries to new profitable ones should have been handled much more humanely.

    If the miners had had a more astute and less confrontational leader, a much better and fairer out come could and would have been achieved. Scargill made the mistake of pitching headlong into a political strike that he could never win and we all paid the price.

    Remember the majority of the country backed Thatcher, if it didn’t she could not have prevailed.

    She was defeated on the poll tax by a mass demonstration by the British people which convinced most other members of her government – had the miners gone down that kind of road, things might have been so different.

    I do not support the anti-war ‘claptrap’ by the “Stop the War/Stop any War” Sadaam supporters – sometimes a country has to say enough is enough when threatened. In the last seventy years Britain, a small archipelago off the coast of Europe, has, unlike the vast majority of Europe remained free because we, together with our great allies the USA, have seen fit to ‘draw a line in the sand’ when necessary.

    Let’s celebrate the death of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Sadaam, Ghadafi, Milosevic, however not Margaret Thatcher. We who opposed her did so strongly at the time, dancing on her grave now, is crass and inhuman.

  43. JimBhoy

    I did find this funny…

    is it true that Maggie has only been in hell for a few hours then proceeded to shut down 3 furnaces

    Ok Blogging over for the day until we get some fitba’ stuff back on…I don’t like talking about politicians it just encourages them, oops reminds me need to get my expenses in for the butler and the cook and the cleaning of the moat aroon the hoos.. 🙂

  44. martin c

    Theres a comedy slot on the STV six O’clock news. A Yorkshire man does standup or is that sit down or how not to look into the camera

  45. timtim

    @bbckennymac: #BBCSportsound big news on #Leaguereconstruction tonight.Revelations that could have a huge impact on where we go from here. Tune in at 6.10

  46. timtim

    Keith Downie ‏@STVkeith 1m
    Dunfermline also hit with player registration embargo for players over the age of 21.
    Details
    Keith Downie ‏@STVkeith 3m
    Dunfermline hit with 15 point deduction. For going into administration

    Fair?

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