After a brief hiatus, I am back at the blogging again. Apart from penning some thoughts on Hearts and the apparent imminent departure of Mr Romanov from the Scottish football scene, I had been engaged in preparation for, and attending at, the Sheriff Court with my gown on my back again.
I mentioned this briefly on Twitter (can readers imagine my pain in having to compress thoughts into 140 characters?) and was hugely gratified by the kind words and congratulations offered to me.
I would not be back “in the saddle” without having had huge help and support and I am immensely grateful to friends, family and wider acquaintances for their backing.
After the blogging I have done over the last 20 months or so, rattling off a 17 page and 6,000 word submission on the implications of the Tenements (Scotland) Act seemed a breeze. And we got the result we wanted.
But, to reassure anyone who is worried about it (although that number would be very small) I will still be blogging for as long as I find interesting things to write about.
On that basis I have a piece regarding Press Complaints Commission related matters under construction, and, when I finish it, and if it reads as I hope it will, it should provoke some discussion.
A couple of people too have asked for a comment on the present issue between, on one hand, the Green Brigade, and on the other Celtic Football Club and Strathclyde Police. I’m not sure I could do a better analysis than that done already by Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, but I am sure I can write a far longer one! There are interesting aspects of the issue regarding matters such as police powers, free speech and contractual rights on entering private property, coupled with those of liability for an organisation for what its acolytes do, where this puts the organisation outwith the rules.
So that, ideally, will be on its way too.
But, and now I get to the point of this piece, I wanted to raise a simple question and, I hope, someone can give me a simple answer.
It is this.
I see that I am castigated as a “Rangers hater” who “spouts bile”. (I wonder if that should be “spits” bile – anyway…)
Bill McMurdo even asked me in a blog if that was the case, and bizarrely said that he would have more respect if I admitted that I was.
I understand that an internet mob, with the electronic equivalent of burning torches and pitchforks, descended on the BBC last week to protest about me, as a “Rangers hater” being given “the oxygen of publicity”. I will write a lengthy piece of drivel detailed response to an analysis of various comments about that including a cheery piece by Chris Graham on the Rangers Standard.
But, and I return to my simple question.
Can anyone show me a single thing I have written which is evidence for me being a “Rangers hater”?
Can anyone direct me to a post (and as people repeatedly point out, there are a lot of them) where I have “spouted bile”?
Sorry, that is two questions …
Is it simply the case that anyone who is perceived as ever expressing a negative opinion about Rangers, in any capacity, is automatically classed as a “Rangers hater” by the loyal support?
Three questions (insert your own Spanish Inquisition joke here).
Does, for example, Mr Leggat, the famed and provocative blogger, fall into the category of a “Rangers hater” for calling Mr Green, in his early involvement, a “snake oil salesman”?
Does the Rangers fan who supposedly criticised the personal behaviour of the Chairman, Malcolm Murray, fall into that category?
What if someone alleged that Mr Green’s personal behaviour fell, in some way, short of the standard expected at Ibrox (not that I am suggesting in any way that it does)? Would such a person be a “Rangers hater”?
I suspect that the answer I am likely to get, if any, would be that it is “obvious” that I am what I am. After all, based on no evidence whatsoever, that I am aware of, I was described as a “rhabid papish, Rangers-hating Protestant-hating, British-hating fenian bastard” by a person purporting to be a Rangers fan.
It is obvious, and perhaps I am simply answering my own question here, that some people have a world view into which the introduction of “evidence” is only a nuisance and a distraction. Indeed some of the commenters on Mr McMurdo’s blog, and he himself, cast doubt on my sincerity when I said I did not “hate” Rangers. Short of getting a tattoo of Charles Green, John Grieg, Jock Wallace and Moses McNeil, I am not sure what I can do to prove that I am not! (For the avoidance of doubt, I am not getting a tattoo. The last one I got, which says “Peter Lawwell is God” hurt too much.)
So, I am a Rangers hater, as is Graham Spiers, Stuart Cosgrove, Jim Spence, the Daily Record, BBC Scotland, Billy Dodds, James Traynor (now rescinded), Tom English, Keith Jackson etc etc etc simply because we are.
Ergo, QED.
In the same way, Rangers still exists as the same football club as it always has been, simply because it does. (I called this the Tinkerbell effect before.)
When a term of abuse (because I know it is not a term of endearment) is used with the scattergun approach with which the phrase “Rangers hater” is dispensed, then it loses its impact.
Maybe the simple answer is, in the spirit of “if you are not with us, you are against us” or “no one likes us, we don’t care”, that anyone who is not a member of the 500 million strong worldwide Rangers support (©Charles Green) is automatically a “Rangers hater”. Maybe it is simply the same as the way in which the Jewish faith classifies the population of the world into Jews and Gentiles, the latter being everyone who is not Jewish.
But, to conclude, as I have some submissions to finish on the doctrine of quantum meruit, if someone can show me where I have demonstrated that I am a “Rangers hater” or where I have “spouted bile” then I will entertain the person who does so to a cup of tea and a scone at the St Patrick’s Church Hall in Coatbridge one morning. One can’t say fairer than that!
Posted by Paul “rhabid papish, Rangers-hating Protestant-hating, British-hating fenian” McConville
Random Thoughts Re Scots Law by Paul McConville 
Keep blogging Paul. How about something on the jury system. Interesting stuff from the Vicky Pryce trial. I thought some of the questions raised were sensible. I wonder if the Jury room was a bit like the Tony Hancock’s “Twelve Angry Men” sketch.
Well done Paul good to see you back where you belong. The Vicky Price trial is a good shout
Its used to deflect the arguments of course it will not be long before Alex Salmond will make it an offensive to indeed be a hater or disbeliever in reincarnations….
A rangers hater – anyone with a different opin from chas green or newco fans. also see those who believe in truth, justice and fair play aka rangers haters
I can not know if you hate anything because I’ve never met you or anyone else who posts here but the obsession with another club is staggering , some of the language used to describe Rangers fans as , Huns , Huns hoardes , heathens and anti Christs is shocking but expected and this from so called educated people ! So if some of these examples are hatred or not is for others to make up their mind , but if I was obsessed 24/7 by another football club , it’s fans , players , management ect I would seek medical attention or try to get out if my bedroom more or maybe just get a life.
You say obsession; I’d say fascination.
I completely get why your fans want the world to cast it’s gaze elsewhere. If we’re not looking then we can’t see what’s going on down Govan way. And secretly you’re all a bit embarassed by it, arent you?
Carson….any examples of here Paul has called people those names? I appreciate others on here, in the comments section have, but when you have free speach that is going to happen. Look on other boards for Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Utd and you will see that for yourself.
carson, whats it to you that people are obsessed with a football club, you are obsessed with one and it died last year!!!!!!
“not nearly dead but really dead”…so deceased Zombies then?
Yeah cause the language used by you and the Klan is so much more acceptable eh!……You really need to put that airbrush away….for someone claiming the moral high ground about obsession, your in here a helluva lot…well in between posting on the Jabba twins bloggs and blaming the schools!
Keep this up, Carson,and shortly someone on here is going to shout out the score of your neg votes – 180!!!!!
carson
I would have thought that reading and responding to blogs and comments on this site shows, like all of us you describe, at least some degree of obsession. Again, I may be naive in forgetting that accusations are often restricted to the accused and used as comfy fail-safe deflections from one’s own situation. Self awareness is an admirable attribute.
Ah yes, haters would include creditors by default (St John Ambulance, the corner shop, the man who did the voice on the history video, the man who brought the shredder for Martin Bain) and anyone that said there was a new Rangers club (Sky Sports, ESPN, CNN, Marketing Week, Accountancy Age, Investors Chronicle, Fifa.com, that kind of a thing.)
Also included must be anyone that said a CVA was essential to preserve the history (I’m looking at you, Green, Traynor and Hart) or anyone who wanted to save anything other than the holding company that runs the club. And that includes the club.
Paul
Welcome to ‘ the club’.
You had a hiatus?
Personally I love the rabid rangers… @Carson Obsessed ? Hell yeah to the whole sordid affair but not with a 4th division football team… The story around them is where the real obsession lies… It has, is and will be an incredible story that will make many rich and has made many poorer and it will be obsessed over for years to come.. I see a movie on the horizon, didnt Brad Pitt do a recent Zombies movie, he could play McConville… It’s gonna be called, WATP We Ate The People…
@Paul
Paul congratulations on your return to your chosen profession.
I wish you well and hope you enjoy.
For the record as one of the resident blue noses on here I do not consider you to be any of the rather lurid adjectives or adverbs aimed at you, misguided and mistaken perhaps ( as any Albion Rovers fan must be ) but not a Rangers hater nor anything else.
That said you do provide a vehicle for the great unwashed to spout spurious opinions and as you will be aware these are not necessarily based on the “evidence” presented and perhaps this is why these allegations are levelled.
There are nutters everywhere on all sides.
As I have said before we have the freedom to express our opinion whether it is right or wrong, what we cannot expect is that everyone will agree with it or that those who dont will remain silent.
I am sure you have not been put off by the name calling and suggest you keep doing what you are doing.
It gives us all a great deal of pleasure and a place to vent.
Right fess up!!
Who put the TD?
As I said there are nutters everwhere!!!
Me by mistake.. My finger caught T D button.
Apologies
@Clarkeng
“As I have said before we have the freedom to express our opinion whether it is right or wrong…”
Not if that opinion conflicts with perceived wisdom at Ibrox and is about to be aired on BBC Radio Sportsound.
@JohnBhoy
Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses – even mine.
The fact that I disagree with you or vice versa is neither here nor there.
But …….and herein lies the proviso…….. that assumes that your opinion is based on facts or evidence and is not spurious mischief making based on wishful thinking, hatred or anything else.
I know it is hard to contemplate sometimes on here but we are all adults and in all probability would not dream of saying the type of things frequently posted on here to someones face.
At least I hope not otherwise there would be some right sore faces going about.
Let the BBC answer for themselves.
Regardless of the excuses given on the subject to date they have to stand up and take responsibility for their actions and that includes even considering broadcasting things which might offend some sections of society.
Every person who pays their licence fee in this country is entitled to object if they feel that the BBC are not acting in an independant manner as all broadcasters and media should.
If it had been on the other foot I am certain you would have heard the screams from your side as well.
@Clarkeng
Please excuse me for butting in.
In your response to JohnBhoy, it appears that you pass the buck to the BBC for the fiasco as described. You also reserve the right to disagree with his stated opinion (fair enough), however, you deflect stout evidence of his argument in a broad swipe, simply because you put the entire matter down to mischief making.
You would do yourself justice if that you could be specific and identify the so called makers of mischief and in which context to your argument?
You avoid response to the other issues raised; particularly the entire EBT romp; is that to be written off as mischief?
Use your freedom of speech by all means; although here’s the proviso; back up your argument by addressing the issues.
@JohnBhoy
All good stuff, pardon my intrusion.
JohnBhoy
February 21, 2013 at 10:02 am
A QUESTION OF BALANCE
The old Rangers understood the theory of balance. If all competing influences have parity – similar club size, domestic fan base, financial clout etc. – then this could present the dangerously unpredictable fiasco of a level playing field, leading to ludicrously unfair equal competition between two city rivals, namely Celtic and Rangers. Thankfully, EBTs came to the rescue and redressed the balance in Rangers’ favour. That is the kind of equilibrium that appealed to the old Rangers. For every fiver that you pay in tax, we’ll pay ten less.
The new Rangers likes balance too, in a variety of contexts: financial balance (no debt, courtesy of unpaid creditors), football balance (leapfrogging The Spartans FC to gain entry to the SFL without the need to follow the same rigorous, competitive application process), social balance (march on Hampden, boycott etc.) and msm balance (James Traynor, writing for The Daily Record while seeking, and finally securing, employment with Rangers).
Chris Graham wants to maintain that traditional sense of balance (http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/articles/current-affairs/225-bbc-scotland-can-t-strike-rangers-balance). He refused to take part in BBC Radio Scotland’s Sportsound because he concluded that the make up of the guest panel was not balanced enough in his direction. Below is the disreputable list of unhinged reprobates – with the exception of only one upstanding citizen – the BBC had the temerity to invite without first seeking Chris Graham’s approval [in fact, the BBC did attempt to barter with Chris Graham on the composition of the panel but, alas, to no avail]:
1. Either Paul McConville or Andy Muirhead (Bloggers)
2. Chris Graham (Blogger)
3. Stuart Cosgrove (Journalist)
4. Graham Spiers (Journalist)
5. Jim Spence (Broadcaster presenting the programme)
What were the objections put forward by Ibrox’s poster boy? Paul McConville is an intelligent, articulate, fair individual, one who bases his position on available evidence and legal precedent. He had to go. Andy Muirhead self-evidently failed to uphold the same uncritical pro-Rangers faculties as Chris Graham – the very idea that there should be two bloggers with different views on the same programme was hilariously at odds with the theory of balance as practiced by Rangers, old and new. Andy Muirhead had to go.
Chris Graham had no obvious objection to Chris Graham appearing on the panel. He saw a lot of himself in Chris Graham. They could have been twins. The face that stared blankly back at him in the mirror was not made for asking difficult questions. He had to stay.
The two journalists and the broadcaster? Despite a slow start to non-succulent lamb reporting, endemic in Scotland, they came good in the end and dispatched their duties with integrity. Without question, adherence to their job description wholly undermined their credibility: they too had to go. Furthermore, Stuart Cosgrove was not friendly enough with Rangers – “not a friend of the club” – while Graham Spiers and Jim Spence both committed the cardinal sin of recently referring to the new club The Rangers as… a new club.
As further evidence of the BBC’s bias against The Rangers, Chris Graham bemoaned the minor legal technicality of the The Communications Act 2003, whereby fans of his club are required to pay their license fee like everyone else, otherwise they would retaliate with a boycott of the BBC: “We have no real option but to pay our licence fee and fund them… [so] boycotting them does not hit them in the pocket.” They do like to hit people where it hurts and it is exasperating, not to mention grossly unfair, when that opportunity is foiled by the laws of the land.
Free speech is not an optional extra for a balanced media – it is an absolute necessity. Allowing a football club’s fans to place conditions on free speech, or to curtail it altogether, is the antithesis of democracy. It was John Diefenbaker, former lawyer and Prime Minister of Canada, who said that “freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong.” The BBC was guilty of the latter by denying others the chance of the former. That error of judgement needs to be corrected. The alternative is a return to craven succulent lamb “reporting”, where balance meant turning a blind eye to debate and submitting copy to one club for approval.
@Raymilland
I think if you had followed my posts generally on here you would know that I have regularly chastised those opinions which I consider to be based on meaningless crap.
As for naming names I thought that went out when I left primary school.
As far as the BBC are concerned they need to answer for themselves as I have said.
If people who pay their licence fees object to content being broadcast that is an issue they need to address and clearly the people who might have wanted to see the broadcast also have a right to complain.
The question for the BBC is why put up a programme which has the potential to create so much upset.
Surely someone should have realised the gulf between the respective sides meant that it was possibly unsuitable to include in their programming.
You have me at a loss on the EBT thing.
I dont see any mention of it here and the last discussion I have seen is that HMRC have been given leave to appeal on a point of law.
They have not yet lodged or presented the detail of their appeal and at this point the FTTT decision stands pending any decision to overturn it.
However it may not be overturned.
We will just have to wait and see.
Missed your tips by the way.
Try to give them before the race it might help boost the fighting fund.
“If people who pay their licence fees object to content being broadcast that is an issue they need to address and clearly the people who might have wanted to see the broadcast also have a right to complain.
The question for the BBC is why put up a programme which has the potential to create so much upset.”
You surely have to see the problem in this statement clarkeng.
“This is, in theory, still a free country, but our politically correct, censorious times are such that many of us tremble to give vent to perfectly acceptable views for fear of condemnation. Freedom of speech is thereby imperiled, big questions go undebated, and great lies become accepted, unequivocally as great truths.” — Simon Heffer Source: Daily Mail, 7 June 2000
The beeb, in theory, is a completely independent organisation. Independent even of the fee payers, by way of the communications act 2003. If the Beeb were to allow themselves to be beholden to minority opinion to censor content, then such great shows as panorama would be shot down all the time for objectionable content.
As long as what they purvey is factually correct (and in the case of objectionable content, I’d imagine they are quite rigorous in that department), and in the public interest, which this story most definitely is, then any attempt to boycott the broadcast of said material is an attempt to limit free speech. Nowhere in the media have I seen any competent (and here you may correct me) national journalist credibly refuting the evidence in any of the bbc publications to date. Where they do make an error, the bbc is normally forthcoming with a retraction.
If only, somehow we could hold all bloggers to such lofty ideals.
Jer
@Clarkeng
Note last night’s post addressed to you.
Greyhound tip comes in tonight! (see result below)
Check the times and dates (if that not to difficult; you seem to have problems with facts and figures).
Did you put your money where your mouth is? I gave you 24 hours notice; don’t you read the posts you berate?
I’ve read your response to JohnBoys post; it’s your usual drivel; you wouldn’t be able to find your arse with a torch in a dark room.
I gave you the chance to sort the debt issue; and you pass the buck.
Raymilland
February 20, 2013 at 9:26 pm
@Clarkeng
Hove greyhound meeting;
Thursday Evening 21 February 2013;
Race 6 (20.50) (Trap 1) Lord Save Us
(Trap 5) Join The Clan
2x single £……. 1x reverse forecast £…….
Fill in the blanks
Put yer big Hoose on it, boost the funds!
Enjoy yer pint BTW
—————————————–
Result tonight
20:50 Hove Thursday 21st February
-1st 5 Join The Clan 8/1
2nd 1 Lord Save Us 5/4 f
3rd 4 Rackethall Ruso 5/2
Forecast £26.47
You had your chance and you blew it (seems to be a trait)
@Raymilland
You’re excused for butting in,well by me anyway, and I do know
it’s not my call,but that was a brilliant post.
I loved the quote from John Difenbaker (He’s NOT the dog from the old
TV programme Due South then? 🙂 )
I love a quote Ray.Here’s one I think is particularly relevant to the
Sevco stance on their innocence in the FTTT
“You can’t escape moral judgement through a legal loophole”
Michael Josephson.
Clarkeng
Zombies going on about hatred really is rich.
Displaying hatred is a Zombie speciality, and something most of them seem to live for.
If the tribute Rangers follow the same route as Rangers 1, perhaps they could rename the inevitable new club ‘Riots Are Us’.
@Raymilland
Sorry I did miss your post with the tip the other night but that was partly down to where it was posted.
I was off the air a bit earlier and when I came back on next day the other blogs from Paul were on so I just moved on to those.
My loss eh?
I was going to try ticking the boxes to see if anybody responded to my posts but last time I did I was swamped by well wishers!!
Aye right!!
Anyway with all that blowing of hot air you are doing just remember this – I do not berate posts.
That presumes far too much in terms of the quality posted.
No I simply disagree with them and usually try to explain why.
The thing about on here is that you are all wishing for something.
Too often the digits have been engaged before the brain has kicked in.
You just cant help yourselves hating.
Must be awful to live like that.
I would send you all to confession to be given contrition and penance before even allowing the computer to be turned on.
Maybe you would all be nicer people then.
Then again maybe not.
BTW my pints were excellent as always.
Keep the tips coming but please try to post somewhere near my post or I might miss it again.
That would have been a useful lift for the fund.
@ Clarkeng
Cheers for the nod.
I am gonna try and enlighten you regard the perceived hatred all things rangers, keep this to your self; I was raised in a tenement not far from a certain east end landmark called the ‘umbrella’.
It you don’t know where I’m talking about, I guess that would lend further credence to my suspicion that perhaps you have never seen the inside of an east end tenement close in the 1960’s.
My point being; in my circumstance; the Orange Order did parade right under my window on a regular basis; like most; the formative years leave a lasting impression; mainly of red faced zealots.
Now I know you will say that rangers and the above minstrels are not one and the same, however, you don’t see too much Celtic jersey’s following the jovial ‘bluebells are blue’ marchers.
Sure; you grow a thick skin growing up in a neighbourhood that makes you feel about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, one of life’s lessons you might say, though hardly intended as such.
Many bloggers will know exactly where I coming from (quite literally); I wont bore you with the rest.
I for one; do hate rangers by association to the above ar*eholes.
In the end there isn’t much to analyse, perhaps you had to be there, to really understand.
@Riddrie
Unfortunately riddrie you seem to be ( and I maybe wrong but I dont think so ) tendencies verging on the green side so I would only expect comments which dont contribute anything worth listening to.
Take a wee sugar pill and try to counter that bitterness.
Who knows you might even be happy in this big world of ours where Rangers are on the way back up.
Then again maybe not.
When, JohnBhoy? When?
I think Clarkeng’s comments largely answer your question and he/she does so in a reasoned and balanced way. People are quite often lazy when in adversarial mode particularly when dealing with compound issues with which they are also emotionally tied. Clarkeng rightly points out, as do you yourself, there are many, including commenters following your blogs, who are clearly not interested, let alone prepared to make the effort, to look for and present evidence that might form some sort of persuasive argument in support their views. So much easier, it appears, to indulge in extreme rhetoric and that good old stand by: the ad hominem approach. It seems very much the case to me that an element of this nature will always obtain and that’s really sad. Consequently, this lazy, non evidence based assertion about you, even in the face of that which is glaringly obvious, and to the contrary, shall continue. So Paul, it seems, you shall just have to put up with it. I would only add that you please continue to do so in your own inimitable, humorous and most effective fashion.
At least the “Great Unwashed” of whatever colour have the opportunity to express their opinions unlike on those dens of UnRangers haters that are FF and RM.
@Bill Fraser
Sorry Bill I dont know what FF and RM are.
This is the only blog I ever look at.
Maybe I should broaden my horizons as there is a whole ciber world out there but maybe I would not like what I see.
In case you misunderstood me I was supporting freedom to express opinion.
The only qualification was that is evidence based and not vitriolic.
@Clarkeng
“The only qualification was that is evidence based and not vitriolic.”
Says the man who until recently accused anyone & everyone who dared type anything contrary to his view of “spouting bile & bigotry.”
“Sorry Bill I dont know what FF and RM are.” Funny that you’ve made mention of them.in previous posts.
“I am sure you have not been put off by the name calling” that you yourself indulge in.
The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
@the bigoted taxi driver
James Torbett
“A Rangers supporting protestant – that is what I believed and still believe.”
I rest my case.
Anybody from the Sellik end want to correct him?
Dont be worried about losing your breath – it is your credibility and blatant protrayal of lies you should be considering.
You can type as much as you like which is contrary to my opinion that is your right but it shows you up for what you are.
In this particular issue no matter what you say you believe it will always be lies.
So calling you names is easy as they are truthful.
And for the record I have never referred to FF or RM anywhere.
@Myshkin
Typical Sevconian response – deflect deflect deflect.
Never miss an opportunity to bring that animal’s name into a post do you?
“Blatant portrayal of lies”? In your opinion. Mines happens to differ. So out comes the utterly childish name-calling. Pathetic.
You claimed to speak for “every Celtic fan” (except me of course,) and I told you what you had to do in order to back up this arrant nonsense. So how did the signature collection go?
I’d guess not very well, given that you disappeared immediately I set you the challenge. Pretty much the same way you disappeared when the news broke that HMRC had been given leave to appeal, which you had continually claimed wouldn’t happen.
As to the name-calling, does any of this ring a bell?:
20/12 We are aw sick listening to meaningless opinionated crap spurned out of bigotry.
20/12 Right own up!
Who are the idiots who pressed the TU button for this piece of meaningless opinionated crap which is only spurned from bigotry.
21/12 Ah see you got 15 TUs.
That must mean your post scores high on bile and bigotry.
21/12 Funny you should say that about this site I had noticed the colour changing with all the bile being spewed.
21/12 Change the record will ye.
Dont be worrying about us we will be here without you lot.
Suggest ye keep aw yer bile and bigotry tae yersel.
17/01 As I said if you dont know the facts dont post.
You will only embarrass yourself and show how small minded and bigoted you are.
As I said, pathetic.
Its a pity the RangersTaxcase blog has been taken down.
You could have found all the evidence you so passionately desire on there.
that all sounded high and mighty until you referred to others as ‘The great unwashed’. so you don’t agree with what Paul has been called, but descend into calling people names without knowing them.
for the record (not the daily one) i wash at least twice a day and brush my teeth at least three times daily. i change my underwear each day and wear a clean shirt to work each day. i wash my hands before preparing food and before eating meals, and after using the bathroom.
i am now of for a shower to wash this interaction with you from my system
Antonius
Am no comin’ tae live wae you!!!!
@AntoniusF
Good for you personal hygene is very important.
I think if you read the posts on here on regular basis you will appreciate the pet names which have been apportioned to fans of Rangers.
The fact that such a pet name is applied to the Sellik mob should be considered only tit for tat.
Or would you prefer to have the whole blog to yourselves?
Where would the fun be in that.
Let me tell that my version is much more complimentary than the real version as considered amongst the mass of Rangers fans.
Dont take it personally it is merely a generalisation.
@paul
They all hiatus and we don’t care !
Mcfc ! How you doin ? Long time no hear ! Hows the weather in Cornwall today ?
@carson-TROLL
Still wasting your time troll
Just tell them that yes, you are a Rangers-hater. Now, to the point raised?
I see the oleaginous tentacles of the Vatican run throughout this once-proud Protestant land.
I’ve no doubt that you, at the behest of Peter LIEwell, are taking orders from a group that includes the SFA, Celtic, Gerry Adams, the Pope, Father Ted, Jimmy Cricket and Joan Collins (probably related to Michael).
They are obviously going to have to redraft the
“no one likes us, we don’t care” line in the song.
How about
“no one likes us, we’re quite hurt”
“No one likes us, we care deeply”
“No one likes us, let’s form a mob and burn their gaff down”
not sure that last one scans. Still at least it doesn’t have to rhyme with “We hate Celtic, Fenian b’stards”, so they’ll be able to keep that one in.
Any suggestions for “And we’ll chase them everywhere”?
I consider myself more to be a Rangers Mocker to be honest. it’s difficult to hate anything that presents such an ongoing source of amusement.
Glad to hear you might do a piece on the various legalities of the Green Brigade policing.
@robertg
I’m with you in the Rangers’ Mockers camp robert.
It’s irresistible, because there is just SO much to mock,from
their comedy central cast of Chico,Sally,Leggo,Mc Murdo and,my
personal favourite,Chris “his mammy’s big tumpshie”Graham.
Have you ever seen a case of such controlled rage as that
which inflicts HMBT Graham? Always trying to be reasonable, the thinking man’s Ranger,then running off to type up his list ( now
removed) of all the Rangers’ haters and how they’ll be “remembered”
when Sevco are back on top.I just love laughing at their pomposity
and the seriousness of their angst…..I’d would just be plain wrong
not to mock them 🙂
@Maggie Make mine a Half caff Mocca-chico…
@JimBhoy
Oh come on Jim, people are trying to make the dinner here,without
screaming with laughter. Brilliant 🙂
Spot on Maggie.
Most of the posts have already confirmed an obsession with Rangers , what would some people do with their time if they were not posting about Scotland’s biggest club , and before anyone trys to dispute this just think how much time on radio , blogs , newspapers , tv ect the mighty Rangers take up ? If anyone was ever in any doubt who Scotland’s premier club was these last few months have confirmed it beyond doubt , and that’s Rangers in the fourth tier ! ! How many top leagues in the world DEPEND on a broadcasting deal that includes a fourth tier team ? It’s maybe not hatred but it certainly is spiteful jealousy of the greatest club this country has and will ever produce . NULLI SECUNDUS.
Maybe the question should be; what attribute to the boys in blue; would endear rangers to our heart? Seriously; pray tell.
‘A sense of loyalty to the cause’ (whatever the cause may be?) shall not be accepted as an adequate answer.
I stand to be corrected of the implication of my low opinion of the rangers brand.
Take the opportunity to promote your club ‘big style’.
A separate question; why are so many people ‘obsessed’ with the downfall of rangers and the consequences of their nose dive?
If you cannot appreciate the last question; that failure to recognise the issues involved would go a long way to explain the degree of indignation demonstrated by so many outside the rangers circle.
Historical wounds caused by ostracising the irish immigrant to Scotland should not be under estimated, and is not easily forgotten by those at the sharp end. Perhaps you have to be on the receiving end of that particular stigma to understand the lack of sympathy toward a club which did very little to deter bigotry (Taboo subject?)
Feel free to vent, although I do feel that any frustration caused as a result of rangers current predicament should be vented toward the guilty parties.
Have you considered adopting Don Quixote as your nom de plume?
If a group of people with a common interest decide to speculate on a topic are to be considered obsessed, then what would that make somebody who seems to spend a disproportionate amount of time among them railing against their conversation?
For information, I spend a lot of time on conference calls so reading this helps pass the time. Everybody needs a hobby and I am grateful that this one provides some amusement and doesn’t cost any money.
The quote below has been doctored slightly, but I believe is quite apposite..
“For my own part I have always felt that a Hoops fan is to be judged by the animosities which he excites among his opponents. I have always set myself to not merely relish but to thoroughly deserve their censure.”
(Mostly) Winston Churchill, 17 November 1906
@robertg
You may have me confused with someone else, I freely admit to being obsessed by the reportage concerning the rangers story.
Don Quixote? I lean more toward nihilism than chivalry, old Winston himself faltered between the two.
I’m glad that you find time to be casually obsessive.
Sorry Ray. Thought I had replied to Carson. Bit too casual.
:0)
@robertg
Very sporting of you old chap….time for tiffin.
it just goes to show you that a team that refused to sign a catholic player or tea ladies for that matter are still trying to control scottish football what kind
of people are you
Stupid?…
We know you would prefer it if everyone looked the otherway, sevco are car crash tv….the sevco support could be the Bruce Willis character from 6th sense!
@Jamie,
I see dead people……
They just don’t know it Maggie 🙂
@Jamie
Oh they will Jamie,they will 🙂
Unfortunately The Rangers are a bit like the Beckhams; nobody honestly gives a damn about them and we’d all be happy if their name never cropped up in the papers again. However, as soon as things start to quieten down, BANG!. They produce another story about themselves and it all starts up again. If you don’t want us to be obsessed with the Bluebottles then tell Chas, Sally, Willy-puller and co to just keep their gobs shut and do us a favour.
Areson! You really are a klutz, my man. Just because people talk incessantly about a thing does not confer greatness upon it. For example, If you’d lived in London at the time of The Black Death, I’ve no doubt much of your chat would have been given over to that nasty plague. Doesn’t mean to say you’d want to run out and catch it, but, does it? We all talk about Sevco cos they’re a rerr terr, that’s all.
And this NULLI SECUNDUS blah you’re now hitting us with, what’s that all about? My Latin’s not what it was since the second Vatican Council did away with the Latinate Mass ( not a good idea in my view, but hey I’m not infallible) but I’m assuming it means something like ‘never second’? Er, where did Oldco finish last season, and after we gave them a fifteen point start? Were Oldco not the ‘second’ team to win nine-in-a row? And if they had ever– and I’m soakin’ my Tenna Man’s at the thought of this—won—jeez I’m sodden—-the European Cup—would they not have been the ‘second’ Scottish team to have done so?
I mean, for fuck’s sake Arseon, when you were cooking in the old Catering Corp and a squaddie (obviously one with a cast iron stomach or sans taste buds) came up and asked for ‘seconds’ what did you do? Stare at him blankly? It sounds like that must have been the case as you clearly can’t grasp the concept ‘second’. I blame the schools.
To be fair he might have meant Nellie Furtado 🙂
Al Capone was in the news more than anyone else in the 1920’s, go figure
Couple that ludicrous triumphalism with an overt Anti Catholicism particularly in respect of those of Irish descent add in a seeming lack of insight to the truth about what has happened in the last several years to Rangers perhaps leads Mr Carson to misidentify schadenfreude as hate. I hate no one but cannot deny an entertained interest in the continuing implosions in Govan and wanting them to continue.
There is lots to be written after the smoke (and indeed mirrors) has cleared when all the economic, business, sociological and dare I say it Theological aspects of this once in a lifetime event has come to an end.
Remember he lives by being the Peepil dies by being the Peepil
carson
Attention seeking can take many forms but I have found that on the whole it is the result of egotistical, self centred showing off. It is most commonly displayed by children or childish characters of a hyper disposition who are often lacking in the normal life skills. On this basis, I find little to argue against your claim.
And who do the Zombies obsess over?
Why, Peter Lawwell and Celtic!
Hypocrites!
How can you have hatred in your heart when you are pishing yourself laughing
Bruno,
I ended up pmsl at that one 😉
Bruno
I have have just had to change my incontinence breeks.
“have, have” – just once, I didn’t laugh that much.
The entity that is the internet is unfortunately infested by such people who will read your words Paul, not necessarily understand them and therefore label you one thing or another. Well, with £77 a week to spend they’re left with little else to do. That you dare to question the ethics and ethos of two football clubs and their management offends them. I say two because obviously one was liquidised (yes I know) and the other was born from the gloop which was left over and now it has metamorphosed into another club. Oh wait, has it metamorphosed because that would require it to be something different? See now I’ve confused myself. Lets all agree to disagree that it is a different club with much of the same ethos, yet devoid of the power it once had. It still has the same fans only now they have this delusional paranoia that Scotland’s bigots have destroyed their former club. Hang on, hang on, wait a minute… aren’t Celtic supposed to be the paranoid ones? My thinking would be that had Scotland’s bigots been called into action earlier perhaps Rangers would have been saved? But then how could they have known when those handed the sacred task of reporting football media were otherwise engaged munching on lamb. Self-interest won over social duty and as a result Rangers were allowed to fester and die. No amount to deflection from those given a microphone or soap box can change that fact.
Your posts have never contained the ignomous and bilious content that many of your detractors would fire back at you. It is the internet version of effectively hitting you, they’ve quite simply lost the argument. They have no reply so they will simply call you names to make themselves feel better. The only problem is this not only effects The Rangers underclass, the ripples of discontent rushes up the social ladder and affects those who could be normally seen as reasonable. It is infectious and it is spreading and thus a Zombie nation is born. No one likes us we do….. Braaaaaaiiinnns!!
Ha ha ha ~~~~ this excellent piece will have a few on here contemplating their belly buttons!!!
Well said sir~~~
A “Rhabid papish protestant hater rangers hater british hater fenian bastard”. I think I’ll change my bio to that
Paul,
congratulations on your return to legal duties.
I wouldn’t worry too much about internet mobs and their claims of haters, nothing a cup of tea and a scone wouldn’t fix.
@Clarkeng You talk about freedom to “express an opinion” and then call the person who gave you a TD a Nutter..
Does that not really sum up nicely (subliminally maybe) what Paul’s post was all about, You can say what you want BUT if it is in anyway something that does not conform to a rangers way of thinking you are agin us and therefore a hater or in this case a nutter.??
@JimBhoy
No it was another poor attempt at humour having delivered my opinion.
I thought it was funny.
Sorry you didnt.
@JimBhoy
BTW I meant to say previously I am keeping my subliminal and ridiculous heid on to counter any so called banter espoused by a n other Rangers haters or nutters which may offend me.
The “if you’re not with us you’re against us” mentality makes them what they are – an easy target for someone who fancies making some easy money. I do wonder when Charles Green realised how little he’d need to do to get the gullible onside.
It’s not enough to simply not say bad things about the sensitive souls, you’ve got to be singing the praises of the self styled “best club in the world”. If you’re not toeing the party line then you’re a hater. Welcome to a not particularly exclusive club.
It’ll make it all the more enjoyable when the The Rangers resurgence all comes crashing down though.
Vega
As it inevitably will…
The Sevconian logic is quite simple
If you are not for them, then you are against them, and that not only makes you a hater, but also a bigot
They wallow in their sense persecution, imagining all sorts of wrongs have been visited on them by the haters and bigots
They lack the ability to see themselves as others see them
If they could they would save themselves a lot of pain
“O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!”
Congratulations from me too Paul. You are a star. A good example of a decent human being. It is your upbringing that done it! I wish you well in your court travels and doing what you were trained for, using your talents to the best of your ability.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21532450
Jersey sale anyone??
It was also a winner at last year’s Foreign Press Association Media Awards and the Scottish Baftas.
Damn pesky foreigners wait till Leggo writes about this. I bet the foreign press come from Spain , Italy , France Vatican City , Portugal & Poland . Do you see the connection . Go get them Leggo , the rangers haters all over the world all 500,000,000 of them.
@John
Sorry to be a tad pedantic but Charlie Chuckles claimed 500,000,000 TRFC fans worldwide so, with the global population c.7bn, that leaves 6,500,000,000 of us so-called “haters.” 🙂
What’s all this talk of Rangers Hater? I loved Rangers from the day they died.
Paul
Their mentality is that a big bhoy did it but ran away, or maybe a big girl like Bella Emberg. Anyone that provides evidence to the contrary is obviously against them and therefore a Rangers Hater which by default also make you a Fenian terrorist loving bam pot, which of course not are not. Keep up the good work.
@Paul
Congratulations on getting “back in the saddle” and winning your
case Paul.Will I ask my new gal pal Vicky to give you a ring?
Her brief not doing too well there I feel.
That Rangers fans imagine they inhabit a world filled with well organised haters hell bent on their clubs destruction is quite a surprising turn of events. It is certainly far removed from the self styled triumphant simply the best group of supporters we are used to seeing and indeed hearing.
The key to this is in fact the liquidation of their club, nothing else has changed. Though curiously most Rangers fans accept that these wounds were inflicted by several owners of the club rather than external influences.
One thing the Rangers support have got partly right is the ‘obsession’. Mistakenly they think this has something to do with the ‘obsessed’ hating them and again wishing to do them down. What is true is that the Rangers story has produced so many astonishing stories peopled with a fascinating if at times unlikely cast of characters that football fans across than land agog.
Scotland is a small country. sometimes the news covers a small cat being rescued by the fire service from the branches of a tree.
that football fans across the land ARE agog.
my bad.
There is something about a freak show, that you can’t resist
It just keeps drawing you back
Freaks!
Describes the Zombies perfectly.
Lego’s (and his acolyte’s) condition can be classically defined as: Egocentrism.
Egocentrism is characterized by preoccupation with one’s own internal world. Egocentrics regard themselves and their own opinions or interests as being the most important or valid. Self-relevant information is seen to be more important in shaping one’s judgments than do thoughts about others and other-relevant information. Egocentric people are unable to fully understand or to cope with other people’s opinions and the fact that reality can be different from what they are ready to accept.
To expand, such as Lego’s egocentricity is demonstrably shown by his assertions that anyone opposing his, or his peer goup’s, viewpoint is denounced a ‘hater’ or that their ‘blog is ‘dripping with hatred’.Paradoxically Lego is blind to his own aggresive and irrational tendencies towards those who have opposed his own view. Either that or he is just being a bit of a fud.
Off topic but thought i’d post anyway….anyone want to write a post on Glasgow City applying for English womens league? Stalking horse for old firm? What implication might a successful bid have on the men’s game?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21529618
Agree with much of what Clarkeng said. I too dont see Paul as a Rangers hater but i am a little surprised that you are surprised by this. Lets face it, the internet is awash with fundamentalists who simply hate. Thats there reason for getting up in the morning,….to hate.
It still astounds me though that people think its only one side. Its astonishing. Look on any Celtic blog and there will be a list of people mentioned who are apparent “Celtic haters” Look on the Rangers ones and sometimes the same people are on both lists.
Thats the world of the Old Firm. Its the world of the internet. Like it or lump it.
Keep up what you do though Paul as to close the keyboard only means the haters win. Im sure you will anyhow.
This post is just covering old ground of a week or so ago.
It has been pretty well agreed upon by sensible folk that Paul doesn’t hate Rangers.He definitely doesn’t like them and spends inordinate amounts of time producing detailed,well researched blogs about them with a nod to the legal aspects.Rather than use Phil MacG’s caveman club,Paul uses a scalpel,humour and a pinch of mischief in his ramblings
I have went onto more depth on the subject of hate, dislike and the nature of obsession, in my soon to be released book,Beetroot,Tumshies and Pushing Stuff To The Side Of Your Plate.Available in all good bookshops,soon,there.
Paul won’t be pushing the Gers to the side of his plate anytime soon,not with a potential book deal in the offing.
If the Gers can replicate Paul’s fall from grace,moment of reflection and steady climb back, then that would be a good achievement.
Friends and the Rangers family will do our best to ensure that this happens.
The rest is just white noise.
Well said that man , it will be very interesting to see the response from the Rangers support the next time one of these diddy clubs wants a game to raise funds or wants a testimonial , they may hate Rangers but they certainly want their cash , will sporting integrity come first ? Or will hipocracy reign supreme?
Punish them, Carson!
Punish them!
Never forget who done you wrong.
‘Hypocrisy’ BTW.
So by that rationale Chris Graham isn’t a sensible person….stating the obvious I know 🙂
We all talk nonsense every now and then.
It doesn’t make you a bad person.
On two separate occassions last week i talked utter crap.My mum still loves me.
cam
I hope you were wearing your Celtic top when you wrote this. Stop lurking and join the long term security “firm”. We wont bite you. In fact there is a great big Glesga kiss waiting for you.
Nah,,,i’ve seen enough questionable behaviour from people wearing that top to make me realise that the light blue is the colour for me.
It’s becoming a bit like Basil Fawlty being told not to mention the war when some German tourists visited the hotel. Perhaps we shouldn’t mention the glaringly obvious to Rangers’ fans in case they are offended.
CCL
Impossible!
They are offended by everything.
You should know by know Paul that the only credentials you need to be a “Sevco hater” is to have the audacity to criticise or disagree with them on….well anything really. The mini-jabba-wannabe Graham is the goldenboy for the FF brigade now….his ego is nearly as big as Jabba’s belly.
Why his he afraid to have an open debate, is he afraid someone will ask him about his poisonous views and the vile coments that pass for informed comment on his bloggs? Incidently, he was one of those criticised Alex Thomson’s journalism, you know the award winning journalist from Ch4…lol….to quote an old political put down….Alex must have felt like he was being savaged by a sheep.
I see that other jabba clone McMurder took pelters from the faithful when he went of track with his message to the hordes. Keep up the good work!
Well folks never mind the FTTT or the UTT,,,,its official the Gers are not tax dodgers!
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/defaulters/index.htm
This is enough for me and it is supported by the BBC which is an “official” Rangers hater.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21536171
i am sure it would be a major faux pas for HMRC to list ‘The Rangers’ at this point, while the FTTT appeal is ongoing, or maybe they don’t list businesses that are dead
not really, as they are still guilty of having not paid their paye last year???? and then their are the EBT’s which were undisputed, and the wee tax case. all taxes outstanding…..
presume u just missed the bit that explained why large corporations aint on the list c. maybe u were curtain cleaning at the time the usual man thing about two things at once….. nice try tho…….
@Paul
Warmest congratulations on the professional front.
I would certainly love to see something on Vicky Price but perhaps with a Scottish twist in posing whether she would have been a Not Proven candidate if facing trial here – epecially as we might be losing the verdict in future?
In any case the way that Not Guilty came back into Scots Law in the Earl of Strathmore ‘murder’ trial is a brilliant story which everyone should be made aware of as well as the eventual ‘downgrade’ of Not Proven and the re-emergence of the Not Guilty verdict on a par with a Guilty one.
And of course, being Scotland, there is the religious question entering the equation over the prosecution of Covenanters and the legal changes which ensued.
I guess you we are all obsessed… Maybe if I took a look at any Sevco fans forum they NEVER EVER mention anything about Celtic, should I go have a look at all the Sevco bloggers from what I have read they love their new club so much, so much so they even called it after their old one that died! And they NEVER EVER mention anything about Celtic or other clubs supporters,… I guess we are all obsessed here. So much so that most of us stick to our own blogs and don’t troll about other Sevco blogs looking for arguments!
There’s usually 30 odd pages everyday on FF about Celtic’s obsession with them….strange that!
Xcelet piece, by the way where did you get the tattoo done, and i love the wee nickname the sevco faithful have kindly given you. Like i post on Phil mac and alex Thomsons blogs,” keep the truths coming” hail hail, GOD BLESS THE CELTIC+
Paul
When you get to my age you welcome sh** because you will soon be part of it when six feet under. You should feel privileged. Shakespeare was of the opinion that “the good is oft interred with their bones”. You have achieved that while still alive and at a young age. If I was not terrified of flying, could get insured for standing up, could see what is below my chins and did not smell so bad, I would escape to a desert island with a disc of “Random Thoughts…”. Hopefully I could find something in a grass skirt with a computer so that my heaven would be complete – on the computer of course. My secret is now out as to where my mind is located when browsing. Futile my dreams may be but please never take them from me – there has to be a song in there somewhere!
As for returning to court. Well the only courting I ever did was with the wife and a grumpy old magistrate in Hawick back in the 70s – not together mind, I am not that sort nor did I have the energy. Both cost me a fortune over very long periods. I am sure you have more worthy reasons for your return to the bar – Guinness is my preferred tipple while your there. Congratulations! And my best wishes for the future.
Maggie
I am waiting for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny that during the entire coverage of the dead ones ultimate demise, there was no talk of ‘a holding company’ dying & the Club continuing, Traynor & the Daily Record on a daily basis, or should that be a ‘Mark Daly basis’, & more tellingly Chuckles Green told the world ” if a CVA fails then the club dies,history ( tainted) concluded, stopped, over & out & GONE! A new Zombie,incarnation type tribute act,will play at Ibroke ( hopefully BDO will put an end to that), the CVA did fail Chuckles,much to my amusement & I mean real funny, amusement central. Sevco has no titles & no cups, no proper license, you are a tribute band! The last two years have probably been the most satisfying if my life,not to mention the funniest, Arise sir Craig Whyte or Agent Whyte to his friends, a real hero, job done…think I’ll have a second bowl of Jelly & Ice cream. Title stripping day soon. As o suspected all along, there is a god! P.S. Peter Lawwell keep pulling the strings!!
To be classified as a ‘Rangers hater’ all you have to do is present the facts of Rangers downfall.
The Zombies were all at sea when the Rangers scandal was first revealed, and no doubt a little more than embarrassed.
However you can’t keep a good dog down so they went on the offensive.
It was all made up nonsense!
They morphed into accepting some kind of wrongdoing had occurred but whined ‘when will the punishment stop’?
Their point of view now seems to be…’its over’..’let’s just forget all about it’, until that is they get back into the SPL (unlikely in my opinion) when they will exact retribution on everyone who has ‘done them wrong’.
The Rangers Haters.
Hands up; who hates rangers?
Raymilland
February 22, 2013 at 8:40 pm
@ Clarkeng
Cheers for the nod.
I am gonna try and enlighten you regard the perceived hatred all things rangers, keep this to your self; I was raised in a tenement not far from a certain east end landmark called the ‘umbrella’.
It you don’t know where I’m talking about, I guess that would lend further credence to my suspicion that perhaps you have never seen the inside of an east end tenement close in the 1960’s.
My point being; in my circumstance; the Orange Order did parade right under my window on a regular basis; like most; the formative years leave a lasting impression; mainly of red faced zealots.
Now I know you will say that rangers and the above minstrels are not one and the same, however, you don’t see too much Celtic jersey’s following the jovial ‘bluebells are blue’ marchers.
Sure; you grow a thick skin growing up in a neighbourhood that makes you feel about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, one of life’s lessons you might say, though hardly intended as such.
Many bloggers will know exactly where I coming from (quite literally); I wont bore you with the rest.
I for one; do hate rangers by association to the above ar*eholes.
In the end there isn’t much to analyse, perhaps you had to be there, to really understand.
Clarkeng
February 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm
@Raymilland
Sorry I did miss your post with the tip the other night but that was partly down to where it was posted.
I was off the air a bit earlier and when I came back on next day the other blogs from Paul were on so I just moved on to those.
My loss eh?
I was going to try ticking the boxes to see if anybody responded to my posts but last time I did I was swamped by well wishers!!
Aye right!!
Anyway with all that blowing of hot air you are doing just remember this – I do not berate posts.
That presumes far too much in terms of the quality posted.
No I simply disagree with them and usually try to explain why.
The thing about on here is that you are all wishing for something.
Too often the digits have been engaged before the brain has kicked in.
You just cant help yourselves hating.
Must be awful to live like that.
I would send you all to confession to be given contrition and penance before even allowing the computer to be turned on.
Maybe you would all be nicer people then.
Then again maybe not.
BTW my pints were excellent as always.
Keep the tips coming but please try to post somewhere near my post or I might miss it again.
That would have been a useful lift for the fund.