Why American Muslims Stopped Supporting the Republicans – Lessons From Stupid Politicians

I want to recommend to my readers a couple of pieces, linked below, by Rany Jazayerli. Who, you might ask, is he?

He writes about baseball in the US and blogs particularly about the Kansas City Royals. As the Royals have been a very bad baseball team for many years, but one which at its best was a World Series winner, it is not always rewarding to be a Royals fan. Maybe a bit like being a fan of a team like Dunfermline, who did achieve great victories in the past, but the mementoes are long faded.

In fact, from this side of the Atlantic, the only thing the Royals has going for it is that excellent writers like Rany, Rob Neyer and Joe Posnanski, are fans, and I get to read their heartfelt pleas for the ownership of the team to do something, indeed anything, right.

Rany, as well as being a baseball blogger and writer by night is a dermatologist by day.

Most importantly for the purposes of this post, he is a Muslim whose father came to the US from his Syrian homeland after the government there confiscated all of the family’s property.

Rany specialises in long posts – indeed, he can make me look like the epitome of brevity! However, he is a writer of the highest quality, and well worth reading, even if the topic seems not to be one of interest.

The first piece I commend to you is one he wrote on Presidential Election Day last month. In it he explains how the immigrant Muslim community in the US, which formerly were overwhelmingly Republican supporters, shifted in only a couple of elections, to the point where the community is almost entirely Democrat. Whilst the events of 9/11 loom large, the change in allegiance is more a result of political idiocy on the part of the Republicans than any backlash by the Muslims of America.

He starts as follows:-

“Almost before I knew that I was an American, and almost before I knew that I was a Muslim, I knew that I was a Republican. I knew this because my father told me so. My father finished his cardiology fellowship just weeks after I was born, and moved the family from Michigan, where we had relatives and a large Muslim community, to Wichita, Kansas.

Kansas, then as now, was a Republican state, and those political sensibilities suited my dad just fine. These were the 1970s, when the income tax rate on the highest earners was 70%, a rate that people of all political persuasions would agree today can only be described as confiscatory. My dad had just left behind Syria, where the government had literally confiscated his family’s wealth, and he would be damned if he was going to let the American government take more than two-thirds of his marginal income.

So a political party whose platform rested on tax cuts and placed small business owners on a pedestal – well, they didn’t have to ask my father twice. The early years in Wichita were the Jimmy Carter years, and while my parents admired Carter and what he accomplished with the Camp David accords – bringing the first measure of peace to the Arab-Israeli conflict – they were swept up by the Reagan Revolution.

Government is not a solution to our problem. Government is the problem.”

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’

My parents had settled in America to get away from an authoritarian regime in their homeland, and here came a man running for President on the platform that the best way to govern was to leave the public alone. All my parents wanted was to be left alone, to work and raise their children and own a house with a finished basement and a white picket fence. My dad, who had just obtained his American citizenship in 1978, became a reliable supporter of the Republican Party, both with his ballot and occasionally with his checkbook. He wasn’t alone. Most immigrant Muslims to America – once they obtained their citizenship – joined the Reagan Revolution.”

You can read the rest of the piece here. As a recent lesson in how stupidly politicians can treat a group of people, it is hard to surpass.

The second piece is also not about baseball, though you should read his articles on that too. This, from 2010, tells the story of Abd el-Kader and his role in protecting Christians during the 1860 massacre of Damascus. His article was written to mark the 150th anniversary of the event.

As Rany writes:-

“I’ve been writing professionally for 15 years, and particularly since 9/11 I have tried, when circumstances allow, to make this an underlying theme in my work: that Muslims and Christians can live together, that there is more that unites us than divides us, that it is only the extremists on both sides who want to see a Clash of Civilizations, and not co-existence, rule the day.

Just know that greater men have tread this way before. My efforts to do so are a speck of dust on top of a mighty mountain of tolerance my ancestors built in 1860. I am honored to play whatever miniscule part I can in echoing the message that Abd el-Kader spread so eloquently, and with such impact, 150 years ago today.”

Read this too, and you can find it here.

His theme that apparently “opposing” groups can live together in tolerance and friendship is one which has echoes throughout the world, and here in the West of Scotland, most definitely.

I hope you enjoy the pieces. I liked and was moved by them both and felt it was worthwhile passing them on.

Posted by Paul McConville



Filed under History, Politics

35 responses to “Why American Muslims Stopped Supporting the Republicans – Lessons From Stupid Politicians

  1. mick

    hi paul what a great topic am married to a muslim women and am living prove that islam and christians get on its a media myth that we dont .A know lots of muslim men who are married to christian women to ,love brings the world together and the msm of most countrys dont tell it like it is interracial forever racism in the river am of to bed now as am up early and am trying to aviod cam and adam incase they ask me why it was only 1 goal tonight ,

  2. JohnBhoy

    No, the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: “My name is Charlie and I’m here to help”.

  3. ecojon

    Read the piece on el-Kader which was fascinating as I had never heard of him before.

    Was particularly taken by the section about Algeria: “As Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in 1837, ‘Once the Turkish government was destroyed with no substitute to replace it, the country fell into appalling anarchy’.”

    Reminds me so much of what happened in Iraq and what might follow in Syria which of course is where el-Kader saved the Christians and I can’t help but feel there is no one who can do that job now and the alawites might be wiped-out because of their support for the Assad regime.

  4. Dhougal

    Great piece again Paul . What an education i get on this blog .I’m 49 now and still learnín thanx to you n yer like !! keep goin pal !

  5. I was christened in the Church of Scotland, went to Sunday School, had religious education as a wean and I am proud of the fact that I can say that I am not now and never will be a Christian. That wouldn’t go down too well in some parts. They might start burning my records.
    My wife is a Moslem. She can never say that she is not a Moslem under threat of death. Literally. She is a Shia. Looked down upon by all Sunni moslems. Bit of an analogy there I think!
    The three Abrahamic religions have caused untold suffering where ever they have been proselytised. They all worship the same omnipotent, imaginary being with supernatural powers and have committed the most heinous crimes against humanity in the 2,500 years they have existed. They are trapped for eternity in the spiritual and philosophical perspective of an iron age goat herd. Go figure. As our colonial cousins would say.
    Never trust anyone who has only read one book as The Big Yin pointed out.
    FFS. We are in the 21st century. Do the book thumpers not realise how big the universe is? It is feckin’ big. Bigger than you could ever imagine. So god picks out a small planet in the middle of a small solar system at the edge of a feckin’ huge spiral galaxy in the vastness of space and time and creates man in his own image? Bit far fetched, as Dougal pointed out 🙂
    I will nip this rant in the bud, but I can tell you, I don’t need a book to know which way the wind blows. Without all the religious mumbo jumbo we may, as a species, have a chance to live together. With it, we are fecked.
    As for American politics?
    Mr. President. Why do you need the Jewish vote? They are around 1% of the electorate.
    Well Doris, the Jews control all the main stream media and could really screw me up if I don’t kow tow to Israel. Besides. All those Born Again Christians support the Jews because they are waiting for the end of days to arrive when the Jews take their rightful place in Israel. Lot of votes there Doris. Don’t want to upset anyone. Lots of money for the campaign there.
    Mr. President. Why are you so concerned about the Latino vote?
    Well, Doris. WASPS are going to be hard to find when the national language shifts to Spanish. Got to keep them happy. There’s millions of the feckers.
    And Mr. President, what about the black vote?
    Well Doris. We need the black vote so that we can pass legislation that will forever keep the blacks in their place. Its called fooling some of the people, all of the time. I think Abraham Lincoln said that!

    American politics are a cancer on the rest of the world and have been since the end of WW2. I wonder sometimes, just how many people have the Americans murdered in order to spread their Mickey Mouse culture and insure that they have enough of the world’s energy supply to keep their populace obese and quiescent.

    I will sign off now with the question:
    Would the world be a better place without holy books and Americans?

    • JohnBhoy

      You ask would the world be a better place without “holy books and Americans”? Wars have been fought in the name of religion but also for other reasons: for ideological reasons, land, oil, power, to win an election, even to test out weapons. Do you therefore ban ideology, capitalism, communism, human traits, elections and science? It wasn’t religion that gave us the atom bomb and Hiroshima.

      Religion has influenced much that is to be admired in this world, including Van Eyck’s unsurpassed Adoration of the Mystic Lamb (also known as the Ghent Altarpiece), Mahatma Ghandi, Michaelangelo’s beautiful marble Pieta, and also strength to those in need. It is equally difficult to throw a blanket condemnation over America when it has given us Sylvia Plath (an absolute gem of a genius), Mohammed Ali, Mark Twain, The Beach Boys, Walt Whitman, Jackson Pollock, Taxi Driver, Simon and Garfunkel, Marlon Brando, Edward Hopper, Apocalypse Now, Robert Frost, It’s a Wonderful Life, Mark Rothko, Babe Ruth, Emily Dickinson and Superman.

      Science has improved our lives – communication, central heating, surgical treatments etc. – but I believe that we are becoming too dependent on science, to the extent that we are conceding too easily our human skills to technology. In the future, there may come a time when the technology breaks down, we will break down.

      To wish for the disappearance of religion and America because of Bad Things makes no more sense than to argue for the abolishment of this blog because the light it emits also attracts trolls.

      • bfb

        “Technology and the Character of Contemporary Life: A Philosophical Inquiry” by Albert Borgmann has interesting things to say regarding the influence of the kind of technologies of which you write; google the “device paradigm” for one of the main ideas.

        Not Babe Ruth but Kurt Vonnegut (“I give you a holy word: Disarm”), Dorothy Day, Jazz Music, Baseball as a kind of poetry and other non baleful things like berserk patriotism, exceptionalism (we are the people) and things characteristic in parts of Scotland

      • Bad things? Wanton destruction of societies, culture and history. Mass murder, genocide, economic disaster. Yes, I suppose you could say they are “bad things”. All you politicians, Mullahs, priests, reverends and Rabbi, just go an sit on the naughty step.
        Technology is only one facet of science. Science allows us to think independently and to throw off the chains of primitive religious ideology and superstition. The Abrahamic religions are painfully anarchic. Most wars are fought with God on our Side (although point taken about the plethora of other reasons).
        FFS. The Catholic church took umbrage at Lennon’s “Imagine”. They have only recently “forgiven” Copernicus!
        Mullahs regularly issues fatwa’s against anyone who farts in the direction of a Mosqe and Jewish Rabbi’s believe that all gentiles exist to serve Jews.
        I have no time for any of this nonsense and have no time for anyone who believes the planet was created 6,000 years ago or fossils were carefully hidden under the ground as some big holy practical joke.

        • JohnBhoy

          If you have no time for those of a religious faith then a discussion on the validity of religion will fall on deaf ears. But why stop at religion? Germany started two world wars and gave us the holocaust, so surely the world will be a better place without Germans? And if you think that science is a panacea for living and thinking then you live in cloud cuckoo land. Science is neither objective nor independent of human interpretation and it has no influence on your powers of thought. Scientists, like religious fanatics, can be as mad as hatters, delusional and damaging e.g. they were wheeled out to prove that smoking was good or us.

          Unlike you, I do have time for those who trust in science or religion or both (or neither). Many of our greatest thinkers were deeply religious: Aristotle, Aquinas, Descartes, Locke, Einstein (oops, was he not a scientist too?). Similarly, there were many excellent philosophers who held a negative view of religion e.g. Russell, who wrote a decent, if somewhat brief, essay on his views: Why I Am Not A Christian.

          There is nothing worse than a religious fanatic, except for a fanatical atheist.

          • Bah, humbug. I wrote something in riposte which has been lost in the ether.
            The validity of faith. Sigh. Normally I am not a believer, but if you are up there, and if you can hear me, please save me Superman!
            It is a tautology to assert that science is used on many occasion to furthest the interests of someone or another. So what?
            Science is just another name for knowledge. Knowledge never stands still and it’s use increases our understanding of the universe. Religion. Especially the murderous, psychotic, superstitious Abrahamic versions, despise knowledge. Religions never grow. They are locked into a 2,000 year old interpretation of the universe which can never change. Faith is the bedrock of them. Do not question the faith!
            There is nothing more pitiful than the faithfull who believe the religious fanatic!
            And, sir. It is typical of the faithfull to accuse their detractors by calling them atheists. I am no atheist. I just don’t need your holy books and priests to interpret the divine for me. I can see, hear, feel, taste and sense it although I am too too small to even have a glimmer of understanding. That, sir, is called humility. Something sadly lacking in your superstitious proselitysing.

            • bfb

              “Mathematico-physical and astronomical works have never been attacked by the Papal Courts, but, on the contrary, have been much encouraged by them down to the present day. This is abundantly clear from the fact that we can set up a whole list of Brothers of Orders, particularly Jesuits, who have made eminent discoveries in natural science” -Albert Einstein

              I know that the above does not fit into a particular kind of scientistic meta narrative (religion bad science good) which does not see that there is mystery wherever we inquire no matter how we undertake that inquiry. My limited understanding of modern physics indicates to me that it is a kind of poetry with more in common with the writings of Augustine of Hippo than many dare to realise.

              Something from Yeats or TS Eliot is needed here but I have no time

      • Maggie

        I see ( and agree with ) your Ali,Plath et all and raise you my
        Abraham Lincoln,John Steinbeck,Raymond Chandler,Norman
        Rockwell,Roy Lichtenstein,Frank Lloyd Wright,Falling Water
        Ludwig Mies van der Rohe The Seagram Building( if you can have the Russian born Rothko* I’m having the German born van der Rohe)
        Marc Chagall mural in the Met,Solomon Guggenheim,Frank Gehry,Woodward and Bernstein,Gene Kelly,Jack Nicholson,Gregory Peck,Woody Allen,Bette Davis,Merle Steep,Diane Keaton,
        The Godfather Trilogy,Oscar de la Renta,Maria Callas,Robert Merrill,
        Tom Petty,Bob Dylan,George and Ira Gershwin,Heeeeeelp, I can’t stop now,Bill and Hillary,Barack and Michelle,Will Ferrell and John C Reilly
        only half joking there btw.
        As for the influence of religion what about the whole of Italy.

        * Rothko!!!! Sublime!!!!!

  6. Adam

    So here’s the thing. I’ve been married twice. Both times to a Catholic, one practicing and one not. I describe myself as non religious so when wife number 1’s parents demanded their girl get married in a RC church, it was no issue to myself or my family, who are pretty much half and half.

    My 2 daughters were raised as Catholics and are both now non practicing mainly due to us “encouraging” them to go all the time when clearly they didn’t want to. When they got to the age of making their own minds up, they put a stop to it.

    My brother is following the same path as me in his choice of marriage and ceremony though he doesn’t encourage his offspring to go to church, instead allowing a choice from a much younger age.(I think that is far more common nowadays)

    My second wife was non practicing and we got married in a “Catholic” ceremony abroad, mainly due to that being the only choice.

    When i look at the 70 or 80 or so people the closest to me be it family, in-laws and friends its probably 80% Catholic. I can honestly say that hand on heart, Ive never fell out with one of them over religious discussions or beliefs and I can also honestly say that not one of them carries the same kind of fervor I read online.

    Rany Jazayerli is 100% correct to say that opposing groups can live together in tolerance and friendship as I can personally testify to that.

    Hugh Keevins made a point on the radio the other night, of which Graham Spiers has followed up on with an article. Keevins claimed that the hatred has never been worse than what it is just now between both sets of fans.

    In 1 respect, he is 100% spot on. And in another, he couldn’t be further from the truth.

    When you look at forums like Follow Follow, Rangers Minded, Celtic Minded and The Huddleboard, the 15-20,000 people who inhabit these places in the majority of cases harbor hatred of the other side. People will deny it on both sides claiming its “only the other lot”, but deep down, the hatred is there for everyone to see.

    And that hatred is as bad as it has ever been.

    Conversely, when you look at the real modern society, again of a certain age and a certain profile, all the divisions have gone. The secret societies are hemorrhaging. The old “what school did you go to” is long gone. The calendars of the Pope and the Queen in hundreds of thousands of homes are no longer to be seen. There are more mixed religion marriages than ever before. People just get on and dont give a hoot anymore about what foot you kick with.

    And thats where the majority (not overwhelming) of people are in my book.

    I once read a story about a bonfire that lasted for a month. Not sure if it was true or an old wifeys tale, but apparently, each day after the 5th November, around 20 kids would each throw 1 piece of wood on the fire at night and this allowed the fire to burn and burn until one day a month later, local residents doused it with water.

    For me, I see the Old Firm rivalry as a Bonfire and in my opinion, the Internet forums are the kids with the wood. The problem i see though, is there are some who don’t realise that they are throwing that bit of wood onto the fire, then there are a whole bunch of people who are re-building the entire fire every single night.

    And i truly fear, these bonfires will never be doused. It might just be too late for this section of society unfortunately. 😦

  7. dan

    The thing about Dubya is that he actually believed his own rhetoric. He believed that, during his presidency, American ‘ideals’ and ‘interests’ had historically converged and that ‘ethical’ action in foreign policy was now possible. He would fight terror in the name of democracy. Surely a laudable project. But then the Devil, or Devil’s began whispering in his ear. Immediately after 9/11 close advisors began telling him that Saddam Hussein was the root of all evil and had to be deposed—this despite the fact that the CIA could offer no evidence whatsoever that Saddam had links with Al Qaeda. In fact, quite the contrary, Saddam was a secularist who had no truck with fundamentalism. But that pesky Mr Cheyney, steeped as he was in ‘big oil’, and his great mate, Rumsfeld, turned Dubya’s head, which wasn’t really so difficult since Dubya firmly believed that Saddam had tried to off Bush senior when he visited Kuwait following its liberation after the first Gulf war. Then there was Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle (The Prince Of Darkness) of the US policy elite, and Nathan Sharansky, one time Soviet dissident and now (then ), ensconced in Israel, and a Hawkish figure viz-a-viz the Palestinian people. They all had Dubya’s ear and were able to ensure that Saddam was removed, and that the US indulged an aggressive Israel to the extent that at least one prominent western journalist accused that country of perpetrating genocidal acts against the Palestinians. Not surprisingly these actions and attitudes were perceived by Muslims as partisan and crimes against peoples of their faith. After all, if Dubya was against dictators, shouldn’t he have cast his net wider, and deposed tyrants who did not also happen to be Muslims, and sitting on top of huge oil reserves?

    What I have written here does not come close to explaining how the world has come to be polarised in the way it has: how it really does seem like a throwback to the time of the Crusades; but if I may suggest some reading of books that do give proper insight, these would include, ‘Daydream Believers’ by Fred Kaplan, ‘A Pretext For War’ (name of author escapes me as it’s late at night) ‘See No Evil’ (ditto) ‘Failed States’ and ‘Hegemony or Survival’ by Noam Chomsky.

    Now can I get back to Sevco baiting please!!!!

  8. Joe

    A good article and informative, it just goes to show that republicans are their own worst enemy. A couple of good books that are worthwhile reads are “Imperial life in the emerald city” by Rajiv Chandrasekaran about how the occupation of Iraq went so drastically wrong. Or Zbigniew Brzezinski’s “The grand chessboard” American primacy and it’s geostategic imperatives.

  9. Richboy

    The anti American feeling in some of the comments above astounds me. America has been our ally in many conflicts and has been the determining factor in victories for human rights and democracy.When there is a major disaster no country gives more the the Americans.

    I realise the Americans have made mistakes in the past, as have all powerful countries, the UK included. Perhaps it is time for those who so love the Muslim outlook on life to go and live in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc and see how much freedom, both personal and religious, they can enjoy.

    In fact there is no need for citizens of the UK to go that far. Simply go to a “no go” Muslim area in the UK where they have set up Sharia and ban people from drinking alcohol and women from wearing clothes of their choice.

    Waken up and smell the hummus people.

    • The American Nation is the greates killing machine ever to walk our planet. America truly is run by psychopaths:

      Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

      Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

      Richboy. This is more than a mere mistake and is symptomatic of the way Americans plunder the world at will. They destroy societies and culture in the name of Mammon.

      However, I agree with your comments on Saudi. Religious freedom in Iran is not a great issue. Jews, Christians, Moslems and Zoroastrians actually live quite happily together. The Americans don’t see it that way and continue with their programme of genocide against the Iranians as they did in Iraq.

    • dan

      Utter nonsense. ‘Human rights and democracy?’ Tell that to their own black population. It’s not so long ago that ‘Strange Fruit’ could be seen hanging from Southern trees. Tell it to the Vietnamese people they napalmed, and dropped Agent Orange upon, tell it to the women and children massacred at Mi Li, tell it to the Chileans who ‘disappeared’ under Pinochet after the democratically elected Allende had been ‘removed’ by the CIA. Simply look at the number of US military interventions in South America, when a government it doesn’t quite fancy (not good for United Fruit or AT&T) sets up shop in what the US considers its ‘back yard.’ Tell it to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After all we are talking about the only nation on the planet ever to have used nuclear weapons. Anti-American? No. A great country, with great people. Anti American foreign policy? Youbetcha my friend!

  10. raycharlez

    Adam, I thought you were a numbers man!

  11. Marching on Together

    From his piece on Abd el-Kader: “Christians and Muslims had lived side-by-side in the holy land for over a thousand years……….while the Muslims maintained full political authority, Christians and Jews were allowed to freely practice their religion.”

    This is simply a misrepresentation (if by ‘holy land’ we are talking about Jerusalem and Palestine, and not the area around Damascus) and is one of the many myths that populate any discussion of the history of that region. I suggest as a good and accessible starter for those lacking knowledge on the topic, Simon Sebag Montefiore’s recent history of “Jerusalem”, which recounts in gruesome detail the long and vicious history of killings and violence mainly by Muslim and Christian alike against each other and against the Jews of the region.

    Otherwise, an interesting piece.

    • Al ross

      My understanding is that in Islam if you are viewed as a ‘people of the book’, pay your taxes then you are free to practice your religion, which is what went on, its not a myth.

      • Marching on Together

        Yeah, and my understanding is that Christianity has always preached love thy neighbour, and Islam has always been the religion of peace. What is there in theory rarely actually happens in practice.

        In any event, it is not only paying your taxes, it is accepting the second class status that goes along with that.

        • Marching on Together

          “it is not only paying your taxes, it is accepting the second class status that goes along with that” I’ve just re-read what I typed. Looking it in the context of Rangers rather than Islam……….

  12. raycharlez


    The belief that the USA fights “for human rights and democracy” can be challenged.

    American imperialism, like its British forerunner, can be seen in a positive and a negative light.

    As for Islam, I am saddened by recent developments. I am a great fan of Sufism but this strand of the religion is deliberately being undermined by the Wahhabist philosophy being proselytised by America’s great ally Saudi Arabia.

    This is a an excellent article in this regard.

    But it has to be remembered that Islam is only 1400 years old and is still developing.

    Christianity is 2000 years old and look where it is now. Women priests, gay marriages and Church of England vicars who don’t believe in God.

    Go back 600 years in the history of Christianity and it was obviously a different picture all round.

    And the theological/philosophical path of Christianity has not been a linear one.

    Great strides forward towards modernity have often been followed by retrogressive “dark ages”.

    Where will Islam be in 400 years?

    Who knows?

    But I do know that in recent years the USA’s strategic support of Saudi Arabia has allowed a “backwards” strand of Islamic theology to be exported around the world.

    Petrodollars have facilitated the “Talibinasiation” of large segments of the Asian population in countries such as Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia as well as a host of African nations such as Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya and Mali (1).

    So perhaps we should forget the hummus and, as the Yanks would say, instead “wake up and smell the petrol”


    • Marching on Together

      Permit me to observe that Saudi Arabia was financing mosques around the globe long before the US’s most recent adventures in the Middle East. For example, the mosque in Edinburgh at Potterrow was substantially funded by Saudi money when built in the late 1980s and early 1990s. (For the avoidance of doubt I am not alleging that wahabbism or anything similar is preached at that mosque as I have no knowledge of that).

      • RayCharles

        1. Saudi cash in Edinburgh is not being used to fund madrases that educate/indoctrinate poverty-stricken locals.

        2. If you read the Observer article I cited you will see that a “foreign” and “radical” version of Islam is being exported through the use of “education”.

        3. You say: “The US’s most recent adventures in the Middle East.” Don’t get your point really. The USA has been actively involved in political and strategic “adventures” in the country since 1931. What do you mean by recent adventures? Since 1931? The Gulf War in 1991? Or after 9/11 in 2001?

        4. The USA has facilitated and supported various Saudi regimes for 91 years

        5. This, from a certain point of view, makes them complicit in unexpected events that may follow.

        6. 15 of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. (Yet Afghanistan was bombed!!!)

        7. The Saudia Arabian regime exports Wahibbism to countries that have in recent centuries cultivated a more liberal strand of Islam..

        8. An even more pernicious threat comes from the petrodollars spent by oil-rich Saudis who are way more extreme than the House of Saud in terms of their conceptualisation of Islam. Their “educational” activities can be viewed as the “Talibinasation” of other Islamic populations.

        The links between the USA and Saudi Arabia are deep rooted and interlinked.

        Richboy said we should smell the hummus.

        I tried to point out that this would be difficult given the powerful aroma of gasoline permeating the region that is now the dynamic driving force of the ideological strand of Islam that is troubling so many of us.

        This is just my casual observation of events.

  13. charliedon

    I love the earlier post by goneinthemorning. It is always a humbling experience for me to ponder that the planet we live on is a tiny speck of dust in relation to the unimaginable vastness of the cosmos. Each one of us is no more one of 7 billion microbes milling about on that speck of dust. As I say, humbling.
    Most religion has its roots in a time when humans believed the Earth was the centre of the universe and have evolved founded on that premise, subsequent scientific discoveries being an inconvenient nuisance.
    Advances in astronomical techniques are allowing to see further and further in distance into the recesses of the universe and correspondingly further back into time. We are now getting close to observing events in these distant galaxies which actually occurred not long after the theoretical “big bang”. I hope this may eventually lead to major scientific revelations as to how our universe really was formed.
    Something to ponder – I can hardly wait!

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