Well, I said to myself as I said down at the PC tonight with a fine mug of tea at my hand, I wonder if my references to the Conveyancing and Feudal Reform Act have calmed down the tube/tupe debate, and I wonder if anyone has had anything to say about JohnBhoy’s post?
About 90 minutes later, I have made it up to date.
I remember when I gave up on reading all the comments on RTC’s blog. I don’t manage to keep up with the comments at all on TSFM.
However, as this blog has my name on it, I need at least to skim over comments, if possible. I understand what I heard once in an email from RTC – namely that comments eventually hit a critical mass where it becomes impossible to screen them. For fear of that (and I am sure I am a long way short of RTC in readers) I have always taken the decision to trust people. I do not even have the patented RTC method of catching posts which included words like “hundred”, “shunned”, “hunter” and “chunder”. Unless you mention Rosencran*z, your post will usually go through.
My expectation that legislation about mortgages would have a tranquillising effect seem to have failed however.
I want to throw out a few quick comments about today’s discussions, for those who are interested.
To quote Dermot O’Leary from that awful X Factor show “in no particular order” here are my thoughts:-
I might make an exception to my rule and add “Leeds” as one of the words that catches a post for approval. Not because I do not like Leeds, but because, unless someone wants to do an extended piece about their plight, then I think Marching on Together has, over some considerable time, made it clear that Leeds United now is treated by everyone as the same as Leeds United then.
The involvement of Mr Bates has prompted excellent writers like David Conn of the Guardian to look into the apparently opaque ownership structure, but, for the purposes of this blog, as I said earlier, Leeds then = Leeds now.
I did have a soft spot for Leeds in my very young day. I think it stemmed from playing Casdon Soccer. As the picture below shows, Bobby Charlton was the “face of Casdon”. I think I thought that the red team represented Manchester United, and the white Leeds, because of Jack Charlton. I might have been wrong, but many a tense Man U v Leeds game was played out between the McConville brothers.
I also, in what might be a painful recollection for the Hearts fans who read here, remember playing a game of Casdon soccer whilst listening to a radio report on January 1, 1973, which was describing a remarkable score – Hearts 0 – Hibs 7. The fact that there is a book out as the 40th anniversary of that game approaches is a fine sign of the passage of time, as also is the fact that I discovered yesterday that the scarf I was wearing in the bitter Glasgow morning was in fact older than my work colleague. Just call me Methuselah!
I also remember, just before then in 1972, the famous match between Leeds and Southampton, where Leeds played keep-ball brilliantly, in a way which would have purists purring if Barcelona did it today.
There were many exciting players at Leeds then, from Bremner to Clarke, from Lorimer, with his unsurpassed shooting power, to Norman “Bites Your Legs” Hunter. I felt sorry for Leeds losing to the only goal of the game in the 1973 Cup Final – I can still hear David Coleman shouting “PORTERFIELD” as the winning goal went in.
I wasn’t aware then of the stories that circulated about alleged bribes to referees and the arrogance of Leeds. I read about all that later. But as time went on, after Don Revie left, and Clough and Stein came and went, my liking for Leeds dropped, and as the years have gone on there has been a processions of characters and events surrounding Elland Road which mean that the depths to which this formerly great club descended gave me a smile, including the remarkable involvement of Ken Bates (remember he wanted to buy Partick Thistle, and also to electrify the fences at Stamford Bridge – what a guy!). We also can never forget Peter Ridsdale “living the dream”.
I do not know how many Scottish football fans would classify Leeds as their “English” team of choice. Maybe I should have a poll about it – I will see if I can work the technology!
So, after that meander through table football games and remarkable matches, we come back to my point.
AS FAR AS THIS BLOG IS CONCERNED, LEEDS UNITED THEN = LEEDS UNITED NOW.
In a big-headed way, and I know MoT disagrees with me, I think I might be ion to something here. The issue of continuity of a football team has never really been an issue before. There has therefore been no need for football’s authorities to come up with a definitive process for deciding the issue. As I said this morning, that does not mean that Rangers “died”.
It might also mean that no one has really asked the question because the answer is so obvious.
As I have said a few times here, although my view has fluctuated at times, the fact that the Rangers supporters believe it is the same outfit almost makes any legal argument either way redundant. It is reminiscent (and I mean no offence when I say so) of the moment in Peter Pan when Tinkerbell starts to die, and is saved only by the profession of faith by people around her that they believed in fairies. There is a similarity there, I feel.
Until and unless a relevant footballing body declares otherwise, we should work on the basis that Rangers then = Rangers now.
Calling Up Notices
On the conveyancing point, despite MoT’s comment that he thought that it was only a few mortgage company lawyers who were chancing their arm, the whole business of mortgage re-possession was carried out on a basis which the Supreme Court declared to have been flawed for 40 years. Just because something has been done a particular way for a long time – it does not necessarily mean it is correct!
First, for the attention of Adam, JohnBhoy does not have a “duplicate log in” to the site. I am not aware of anyone having one. I can assure people that, unless there is very clever computing trickery going on, like using two computers, Ecojon, cam, Alex and mick are NOT the same person.
There is a JimBhoy as well as a JohnBhoy., but again they are different.
I did think about posting JohnBhoy’s piece. To be frank, if it had been a rant without quotes and references, I probably would not have put it up. It was not a rant however, and it was sourced and referenced. That is not to say that I necessarily agree with everything it said, or that I expected everyone else, or indeed anyone else, to do so.
I am happy overall about the discussion it provoked though, as is human nature, some folk veered a bit close to the edge, close to the bone and near the knuckle.
I think it is testimony to the quality of commenter here that the discussion did not descend into what can be found in other sites when issues like this are raised. Thanks to you all.
I se that Mr Green has announced that his team will refuse tickets for the Scottish Cup match with Dundee United. I think his statement is worth a few comments, but that can wait for the morning.
I see that HMRC is asking for leave to appeal the Big Tax Case, but that too can wait.
I hear (has anyone confirmed it) that James Traynor, latterly of the Record, is off to Ibrox in an official capacity. Some thoughts on his valedictory column will have to wait too.
For me, off to bed.
For the night owls reading the blog – welcome, wherever you are!
Posted by Paul Methuselah McConville