I am delighted to welcome a new Guest Poster on to the Blog. Angela Haggerty worked as an Editor on Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s new book. She has been kind enough to offer some thoughts on the book, the controversy around its publication and the abortive serialisation in the Sun.
As mentioned in my last post, if there was a hope amongst any group of people that the book would disappear quicker than Craig Whyte post-administration, that has proved to be ill-founded.
Indeed, as you can see from the picture below “Downfall” is WH Smith’s Scottish Book of the Month!
It looks as if Angela’s work has complemented that of Phil, taking the book to the top of the charts.
And therefore, enough from me, and I pass you over to Angela.
A fortnight ago, Rangers fans celebrated a very hollow victory. The only group to lose out after the Scottish Sun’s decision to pull the serialisation of Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s new book, Downfall: How Rangers FC Self Destructed, is Rangers fans.
I can speak with some confidence on what Rangers fans stand to lose by ignoring this book – I worked as an editor on Downfall and I have read every single word in it.
Real Rangers fans should have no bone to pick with Mac Giolla Bhain. His alleged Rangers hatred is not hatred, nor is it directed at a football club or its followers. It is an unrelenting criticism of what he argues is an inherent racism in Scottish society and a ruthless expose of those who have profited from engaging it.
Good, decent Rangers fans hate the Billy Boys song. They also hate the Famine Song. No decent person can advocate singing about Fenian blood on a Saturday afternoon in front of impressionable young ears. Nor can any right minded person find a song urging Irish descendants to go home because the famine – responsible for the deaths of a million people – is over, “funny”.
Decent Rangers fans hold as much contempt for racism and bigotry as their fellow right-minded citizens up and down the country.
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s Incubator blog commits the apparently grave sin of ferociously mocking Scotland’s most embarrassing export. Those who make the conscious choice to sing those songs, to follow the club they claim to support and proceed to humiliate it on an international scale with rioting and thuggery, leave themselves open to fair comment, and that comment should shame them as strongly as words can. The blog does not describe all Rangers fans, it describes the angry mob of Rangers crazies who have chosen that path.
Real Rangers fans should vigorously seek to expel that minority of their club’s support. Instead, that poisonous element is dominating it.
Sir David Murray and his cohorts sat by as the Rangers crazies got crazier. As the club slid slowly into bankruptcy and shame – think of Manchester in 2008 – real Rangers fans lost out.
One of the only journalists screaming from the rooftops warning of the disease destroying Rangers was Phil Mac Giolla Bhain. The same journalist lambasted by a minority of Celtic fans for calling them out on their IRA chanting. Yes, he gets it from them, too.
Mac Giolla Bhain reported the truth. He was always a marathon ahead of the Scottish tabloids and his warnings were grave. Predictably, he was targeted immediately by the Rangers crazies, whose incredible obsession with him is truly frightening.
He was proven right time and again, despite the protestations of the angry mob that he was a fantasist. The people who dismissed him were the very people who should have been listening. Rangers 1872 now awaits liquidation and the club has been disgraced. Again, the Rangers fans lost out.
The publication in the Scottish Sun of an interview with Mac Giolla Bhain about the death threats he has received since breaking the Rangers story was enough to send the angry mob into meltdown. There were appeals on Twitter to find the home address of the Sun journalist who wrote the piece. They don’t even try to hide it.
The mob, consumed with fury and speaking of fenians and taigs on Rangers message boards, raged over the Incubator blog, published months earlier and not featured in the book. The bullies raged at the audacity of Mac Giolla Bhain to confront them.
After bombarding the Sun with complaints, the serialisation of Downfall was pulled. The Sun did not cave because of a moral stance. It is a business first and foremost. Enough pressure was applied for it to be too commercially risky to run with the truth.
For every decent Rangers fan, this is a worrying development. If ever evidence was needed that it’s about selling papers, not informing readers, this was it. What the Rangers crazies don’t like, they can prevent being printed in the Scottish press. Now that they have thrown their weight behind Charles Green – who pandered directly to them with his bigotry comments – decent Rangers fans had better hope he is the real deal because if he isn’t, don’t expect the Sun to rock the boat and risk the wrath of the angry mob.
Again, the Rangers fans have lost out.
Posted by Angela Haggerty
163 responses to “The Book, The Sun and The Rangers – by Angela Haggerty, Editor of “Downfall””
Pleased to see so many comments, it’s always good to have healthy debate around such a huge story and this is a great platform for it. Thanks to many of you for your kind words and thanks also to those who offered constructive criticism, always taken on board. Angela.
@Andrew Keith It is neutral in that ANYONE can post their viewpoint (within reason) and have that debated. If it were not neutral I am not sure many people would bother to read the usual staid comments. The Neutrality of the site allows for radically different viewpoints on the car-wreck that was/is (the) Rangers and their present leader.
I would surmise that most writers on this blog would be non Rangers fans as they (ranges fans) want to think, believe nothing has changed. Being a non Rangers fan does not necessarily mean anti-rangers as has seemed to be the thought of most rangers fans.
I think if it was Celtic who broke rules, cheated their way to titles, went into administration then liquidation through bad club and business management, massively cheating the public purse and many a creditor then I believe there would have been a different reaction by the Celtic fans and I guarantee the club would be in the hands of trustworthy Celtic people who could genuinely put the club back on the straight and narrow with a long term business plan and without the arrogance we see from those who represent (the) rangers.
rangers have put themselves in the position they are in, no-one else but i have yet to see a single rangers fan admit that, it is easier to teflon that elsewhere, just check out loggolands blog for today’s blame figure, strangely enough his site suggesting a blog is no such thing, he will not entertain feedback as Mr McConville does in his blog that is open to all and NEUTRAL.
Too true , that rather unfortunate song that Man U supporters sing about Liverpool comes to mind, you know the one. Always the victim , it wasn`t our fault. And as for Leggoland, is it any wonder that the diatribe that is on follow follow and other Rangers forums is there because this so called journalist uses a very neat trick. By repeating thgings over and over he gives the reader the impression that it must somehow be true. His use of alliteration is another cheap trick to work the masses into a frenzy. A very dangerous person if you ask me
JimBhoy, I am not apologising for Rangers fans behaviour. I am just suggesting that if the boot were on the green foot, things might not be as different as you might think. Hopefully we will never know which one of us is right.
“Aye and if my auntie had baws she’d be my uncle”. Sorry for the coarse turn of phrase but I think it appropriate. Celtic aren’t accused of all the things Oldco/Newco Rangers have been so this suggestion is completely irrelevant.
@tam theres beasts every were in all walks of life no sport or faith is imune to it its well of topic and vile give phil a break a think you sit in the section and are angry he mentioned you ???if am right please remember if you dont let scarvers have there say then you are similiar to the deluded
@every1 the topic for discussion is the book and phils stance on it not his past or present sidelines also it would be good for some1 to mention what the think of the editors roll as thats the subject as well and also the anger towards the book forget everything else and stick to the topic the world is logging on so lets not make a cxxt of ourselfs the country and our sport is in bad enogh state ,as paul has said before if you feel you want to do a factual topic about beasts sport and faith then do it and send it to paul and if it passes his criteria am sure he will put it up the taboo days are long gone and most of us are dads or granddads and would comment constructively
From STV 27 June 2012
A spokesman for Rangers confirmed that there had been a transfer of assets between one newco and a second separate newco. He told STV: “For the avoidance of doubt, Sevco 5088 Limited bought the assets of the Rangers Football Club and then transferred them to Sevco Scotland Limited so that all the assets would be in the Scottish registered company that is Rangers FC.”
Question for our Legals
Is it legal for Sevco 5088 to make the following deal with D&P on 14 June if Sevco 5088 Ltd do not own Sevco Scotland Ltd ?( n,b Assume both Cos have indentical shareholders and share splits on their respective registers)
1 Sevco 5088 undetake to pay RFC(IA) £5.5m for certain assets
2 The title deeds for MP and Ibrox are to be passed directly from RFC(IA) to Sevco Scotland
3The floating charge held by The Scottish Sports Council over MP is to be delivered to Sevco Scotland
4The floating charges held by Close Leasing and RFCG are to be delivered to Sevco 5088
Items 1 , 2 and 3 have happened
Item 4 is speculation
please highlight over at tsfm if you no the answer
AK: “I’m afraid if any of you, including Ms. Hegarty were hoping to come of as reasonable bystanders, or disinterested judges, then you have, I think, failed.”
As far as I am aware, nobody who has posted a comment on this blog has ever said they are unbiased. If you think their views are wrong then, as you so long-windedly have, say so. But it would probably be better if you highlighted what you think is wrong so that it can be debated. You know, a discussion involving opposing viewpoints.
AK: “I was once accused by a fellow commenter as having badly misjudged the tenor of this site. But if that means I thought it was a genuinely neutral place where genuinely neutral posters can read genuinely neutral comments from a sizeable number of other genuinely neutral posters, and it is really just a place where Celtic fans can kid themselves that they are really better than Rangers fans, then it seems the accusation is justified.”
I ‘genuinely’ think I will just ‘genuinely’ have to ‘genuinely’ refer you to ‘genuinely’ my first ‘genuinely’ comment.
AK: “The hubris and faux humility on show in the comments above just defies belief.”
Nobody is being excessive in their arrogance. Nobody is pretending to be humble or modest. Although how someone can be arrogant and modest at the same time, as you have eluded too, I dont know.
AK “Do you think that many non old firm fans believe that if it were Celtic rather than Rangers in this mess, the outcome would have been radically different.”
If by outcome you mean when the SFA, SPL & SFL tried to put a new club into the SPL, when that failed, the First Division, when that failed, straight into the Third Division, without allowing any other candidates and no audited accounts. Then yes, I do belive there would be non Old Firm fans who belive that the same would happen if it was Celtic rather than Rangers that got liquidated and had to form a new club. I am not so sure myself tho.
AK “Would Celtic as a club owned up to its failings, and would the fans have refrained from wild accusations of bias and bigotry. I think you know what I think.”
No, I dont know what you think, I must have missed mind reading class at school. Anyway, I would hope that if Celtic were ever in Rangers position, that they would own up, accept the punishments and start again. In saying that, its a bit like if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle, isnt it? Celtic are not in Rangers position, Rangers are.
AK “I enjoy this site enormously. I am very proudly Scottish and love learning about Scots law. I also love football and all that that entails.”
AK “Beyond that, my politics and religion are none of your business.”
It might look as if I am being rude, but I am not. I dont care what your politics or religion are. As you say, none of my business.
AK “I give my full name because I want to be accountable for everything I say. I am not deliberately trying to antagonise anyone but I suspect I might get a certain ‘treatment’ from some posters. And that would prove my point beautifully.”
Well done Mr Andrew Keith. I did not give my full name. So if you have a problem with anything I say, Its not my fault, I am not accountable for any of it, blame another poster.
Maybe you are not trying to be antagonising,maybe by saying that you are, who knows? Who cares?
Do not take this as ‘certain treatment’, its not. It is only one person giving their views on another persons post for other people to agree with or rip to pieces, whatever their view of the subject may be.
What if Celtic went into liquidation! For a start they would not have been allowed to play in the 3rd division this season,So it would be hard to imagine how their fans would or could react! But there,s one thing FOR CERTAIN! Celtic Fans would never have allowed their club to go into LIQUIDATION! Sevco, or rather, New Rangers, or even Annan have a better chance of winning the European Cup,before that ever happens to CELTIC.
Hi Coybig, I am not suggesting anyone’s comments are wrong, just that they appear to me to represent a biased, partisan viewpoint and are presented in a way that either directly or indirectly claim to be reasonable.
OK fair point, too many genuinelies. But, I suspect you cringed just a little at some of the stuff appearing here in recent days. My main point is that there seems to be so much more of that than serious discussion recently.
What I meant by hubris and faux humility is the air of superiority accompanied by false or feint praise directed towards the majority or minority of real Rangers fans. The very last thing Rangers fans (true or not) want to hear from Celtic fans is reference to real Rangers fans being somehow good or reasonable. But I expect everyone on here who has made that kind of reference is well aware of that.
Glad you agree that non-old firm fans don’t necessarily share the Celtic as hard done by and Rangers own the establishment view. From were we sit it looks like the old firm are the establishment.
Sorry, let me make it clear for the school dodgers, I think Celtic would fight every inch of the way any way they could and Celtic fans would circle their wagons and fall into a “if you are not with us you are against us mode” very quickly. You aunt and her dick becoming your uncle rather than an unfortunate woman about to undergo painful hormone based treatment, neatly sums up my point, thanks.
On Scottishness, politics and religion, I never doubted you.
On accountability, it is personal choice. I don’t think you are not accountable because you don’t identify yourself and I have no reason to blame another poster. I actually feel more vulnerable using my own name when addressing large numbers which leads me to long windedness. I have no such problems with one-to-one discussions (except for the long windedness, obviously).
Finally, no, I agree your response was not the ‘certain treatment’.
Oh please, Andrew, if you’re going to dress up your obvious deluded views as reasoned/reasonable argument, do it properly. So you think that if Celtic were to get into the same mess as Rangers did they’d “circle the wagons” in the same way you explain that the Ibrox fans doing? You think that is the natural way fans of clubs at that level react?
Maybe you’d like to ask the same thing of Liverpool fans and Man Utd fans, who in recent years have publicly campaigned against what they have seen as – and to some extent proved to be – financial ineptitude and bad management at their clubs?
Or maybe we should use the direct example of what Celtic fans did when their club went through serious financial difficulty?
The facts tend to disagree with your argument here. In the examples above, the fans were/are the most vociferous critics of the club and how it was/is being run. But you seem to think the ‘laager’ mentality (which seems more apt than just ‘circling the wagons’ in the case of Rangers), is the natural way to react.
No Andrew, I would think Celtic fans would react the way most ‘normal’ fans would, by being extremely critical of what happened – and very wary of anyone who came in next. Rangers fans have done nothing, as far as I can tell, to generate reasoned debate, or ask questions of their former board and owners – and seem to be just taking the same supine position when faced with a questionable new regime.
One has to ask, ‘why is that’?
Also, time and again Rangers fans post here and elsewhere that they’re amazed at how obsessed ‘Celtic’ (non-Rangers) fans are with their club. The main reason for this is that Rangers fans don’t seem to be! And in any case, what has happened at Rangers – no matter what Jim Traynor tries to tell us – is something that has affected every other fan outside Ibrox. The whole of Scottish football has been tarnished by the actions of successive regimes at Ibrox (and is still suffering, given the frankly insulting behaviour of Green and McCoist). No wonder everyone else is angry or even just concerned – Rangers fans don’t seem to be.
Oh, and this: “The very last thing Rangers fans (true or not) want to hear from Celtic fans is reference to real Rangers fans being somehow good or reasonable.” Why is that Andrew? I do not think the reverse is true at all, for any club, astonishingly hard as it may seem to imagine that any other club’s supporters would have let things get that far.
Hi Kenny, my views may be deluded, and you may be right. But comparing what Celtic fans did when they had a crap team, huge debts and rubbish attendances with what Rangers fans have done about a time when they were winning everything, filling their stadium and controlling the media, doesn’t seem reasonable to me.
I simply don’t see the similarity between Liverpool and Man Utd fans here. You might want to explain that further.
I really hope we never find out what Celtic fans would do in the same circumstances. I agree that Rangers fans’ and officials’ behaviour has been appalling and has damaged the reputation of Scottish football and Scotland all over the world. Our reputation couldn’t take another assault.
Why don’t Rangers fans want to be patronised. Because no-one likes to be patronised Kenny..
Andrew, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this, but just for the record…
I would imagine that Celtic fans – as well as Liverpool and Man U fans, the example of which you ignore – would be even MORE intent on hammering the club if this were the case and all things being equal. It’s just my opinion of course, as we’ll never really know.
However I do take issue with implying it is patronising for a Celtic fan to call a Rangers fan ‘good and reasonable’ (we’ve been using the word ‘decent’ more often here, but the point is the same, I think), or vice versa. I’m sure this has happened with sincerity in the past – for example after the Ibrox disaster and when Tommy Burns died. Tends to happen in a crisis…
Anyway, that aside, I salute your obvious indefatigability sir. I reckon you’d make a good ‘opinion piece’ writer – I think there may soon be an opening at the Daily Record soon after yesterday’s nonsense from Mr T (and goodness knows they need someone of your intelligence).
Hi Kenny, Happy to disagree. On the issue of who might be patronising whom. It is clear that many Rangers fans believe that somehow what has happened to them is part of a grand conspiracy orchestrated by Celtic to do them ill. (the irony in that is a thing of rare beauty). While even the the most incorrigible of nosurrenderers can’t find a smoking gun with Celtic fingerprints on it (not for the lack of trying, mind) I imagine they console themselves at nights with thoughts of a papal invasion force waiting off the Ayrshire coast ready to pounce as soon as their resolve weakens.
When my team, Dundee went into administration, both times, there were calls from across Scotland for the club to suffer. I can promise you that many fans took the view that there was some kind of conspiracy against the team. I can also assure you that many fans still believe we were treated badly, particularly the second time with the 25 point penalty, and that many fellow clubs acted out of self-interest rather than reason (me included).
What was amazing was that that sense of injustice, however irrational or unreasonable or even indecent, was what brought the club and fans together. Without that togetherness we would not have gone on a 23 game unbeaten run, increased attendances, raised hundreds of thousands of pounds, and avoided relegation. And we would not be in the SPL now. Rangers situation is a little different I know, but the fans’ reaction is not. They are doing what they can to build up their team. If they are subsequently let down by those that control the club, then they will suffer much more than any of us will.
What I am trying to say is that Rangers fans are being driven by instincts common to most football fans to protect their club at all costs. They are not being driven by reason or decency. What do you want them to do? Not buy season tickets. Boycott games. undermine Mr. Green. Or even just engage in discussions about what might or might not be the outcome of the various hearings, commissions and tribunals. None of that will get the club through the next twelve months. Even if you and I and the rest of Scotland have a feeling that no amount of nosurrendering will save these particular walls from crumbling.
It might be interesting to see the job description for the Daily Record job. I imagine it calls for a size 18 shoe, baggy trousers, purple hair and a big red nose.
“I am not suggesting anyone’s comments are wrong, just that they appear to me to represent a biased, partisan viewpoint and are presented in a way that either directly or indirectly claim to be reasonable.”
“But, I suspect you cringed just a little at some of the stuff appearing here in recent days.”
Yes, some people like to look through green tinted glasses. Just like some people like to look through blue tinted glasses. You have the platform here to reply and debate anything you dissagree with.
“What I meant by hubris and faux humility is the air of superiority accompanied by false or feint praise directed towards the majority or minority of real Rangers fans. The very last thing Rangers fans (true or not) want to hear from Celtic fans is reference to real Rangers fans being somehow good or reasonable. But I expect everyone on here who has made that kind of reference is well aware of that.”
I don’t think that anyone on here has a superiority complex. Any praise that has been given on here I believe is genuine, why wouldn’t it be? So you would rather Celtic fans said that real Rangers fans are bad and unreasonable? I was not aware of that.
“Glad you agree that non-old firm fans don’t necessarily share the Celtic as hard done by and Rangers own the establishment view. From were we sit it looks like the old firm are the establishment.”
Most Old Firm fans I know of think that there is an Old Firm biased in the MSM and that the referees are in favour of both Celtic and Rangers. I do not agree with them tho. Rangers were the establishment club, The Rangers have seemlessly taken over that mantle.
“Sorry, let me make it clear for the school dodgers, I think Celtic would fight every inch of the way any way they could and Celtic fans would circle their wagons and fall into a “if you are not with us you are against us mode” very quickly. You aunt and her dick becoming your uncle rather than an unfortunate woman about to undergo painful hormone based treatment, neatly sums up my point, thanks.”
Just like Charlie and The Rangers are doing right now? If my club was in this situation, I would rather they own up, appologise, take the punishments and start again, wouldn’t you?
I honestly don’t know how that metaphor involving my relations helped sum up your point, but if it worked for you, well done. For the record, as far as I am aware, none of my aunts have a dick.
“On accountability, it is personal choice. I don’t think you are not accountable because you don’t identify yourself”
“Finally, no, I agree your response was not the ‘certain treatment’.”
Thank you for understading my choice and thank you for seeing my reply for what it was. One person having a debate with another person on a certain subject. With refrences to sex changes thrown in for good mesure.
Coybig – don’t be so dismissive about the mindreading classes. http://www.andrewkeithpsychicmedium.com/
This suggestion that by posting a first name/last name (or indeed first name/middle name) you are somehow more worthy as a poster is a fallacy. I had this very discussion with a BBC journo where there the fiorst three names on a google search were a convicted killer, someone accused of abuse and a BBC journalist. I had only his assuarance that a) it was his real name and b) he worked for the BBC. I have used this name consistenly for about a decade. This site, games sites, other sites. There is no question of accountability or the escaping of it – i’m registered on wordpress (hence the propoer avatar) and if the authorities or in deed blog woner want to find me they can.
It’s interesting to me that what you are intimating might happen vis a vis “treatment” is not even the first time that has been mentioned on this thread yet I am not aware of any such action ever on this blog. Why is that?
And btw Coybig – uncle/auntie analogy posted before i saw you use the same. Sorry. “Great minds think alike” as I used to say to my maths teacher when my mate and I had similar homework – “fools seldom differ she’d always reply…” 😉
notice ticketus are expected to launch legal battle in the coming weeks and not” they have now” lies whats really going on ???
I am a bit puzzled as to why Ticketus would bother as they won’t get anything from CW. But perhaps they have to take legal action to get a tax and VAT write-off of the money he owes them so it would be worth it spending a bit on legal fees which can possibly also be written-off.
@ecojon there is storys ticketus are in some way behind the deal and could be in some way part owners why wait till now to sue ???
I think that having arguments about wars and murders in another country as if it had anything to do with football or even business failure probably illustrates why most non old firm fans have complete contempt for the old firm who owe their placein Scottish football to pandering to those who think this has anything to do with supporting a football team.
@ian there’s no old firm it died years ago please don’t mention Celtic as part of them in a firm as Celtic fans have tryed for years to drop this tag ,now and not ever in the future will there be a old firm
Could you please explain exactly what you mean – with regard to Celtic – by the phrase : ‘who owe their place in Scottish football to pandering to those who think this has anything to do with supporting a football team’.
were not old firm we are glasgow celtic
You don’t get to dictate the terms of reference other people use.
You support one half of the Old Firm – the LESS successful half.
Rangers 54 League titles > Celtic 43 League titles
(The SFL – a bunch of delusional Rangers fans apparently…)
Can you post that video of the fat kid doing the dance to Michael Jackson, please?
Used to go to youtube.com but find there’s a wider selection of videos on this blog
Thanks Mickey!! 😀
“You don’t get to dictate the terms of reference other people use.
You support one half of the Old Firm – the LESS successful half.
Rangers 54 League titles > Celtic 43 League titles”
Sorry AB, the Old Firm is no more. Rangers went into administration earlier this year and are about to be liquidated. But in a football sense, Rangers are already dead. Coincidently, they are also likely to be stripped of 5 SPL titles due to ‘alleged’ cheating. That would take the number of titles Rangers won down to 49(making the 5 stars above the badge on the tops they wore irrelevant and redundant).
If, like in other such cases, the titles were go to the team that finished 2nd in those 5 seasons, then Celtic will have won 48 SPL titles.
As Rangers are now dead in a football sense, their title haul can not be added to. No matter what Charlie Green and his Phoenix Team might say.
So Rangers might have won 1 more legue title than Celtic have currently have. Does that mean that Rangers were successful club than Celtic are, considering Celtic have won a European Cup which dwarfs any amount of Scottish Premier League Titles, I would say no.
(The SFL – a bunch of delusional Rangers fans apparently…)”
The same SFL who are getting £1,000,000 a season on the basis of having ‘Rangers’ playing football in their 3 divisions.
“Can you post that video of the fat kid doing the dance to Michael Jackson, please?
Used to go to youtube.com but find there’s a wider selection of videos on this blog”
I would much rather see “The Big Hoose Must Stay Open!” to be honest.
Posted on another site but re-posted here for contributions…
“The lexicon of descriptives for various MSM now includes…
I’ve also recently read …
…and I havent been able to get these into my comments but I would like to propose the future use of:
…any further suggestions?”
Please don’t use ‘Keevinesque’, you’ll just encourage him – and a paper to keep employing the fool.
I enjoyed reading your blog Angela.
While being in a work with well over a hundred employees, with the vast majority being sevconians.
I’m sad to say not only will your words fall on their deaf ears, theyl put you in the same bracket as everyone else who has tried to educate them.
Personally I find their bitterness is becoming more entrenched.hh
@jomac dont see it as intrenched in bitterness be positive see it as being on the back peg 10 0 down with 2mins to go
Thatl be the first game we play newco;-))
@jomack cant wait scotlands biggest club agianst the news club in the uk if not world thats if they make it greens another whyte pure dead brillent devo downfall2 the end is well on the cards
am reading the book just now you have to laugh at mintys dad doing 18 month lolpmsl haha the masonic hilton we will be call barl when the law gets its hands on him
is funny jabba never mentioned this
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Angela, would be interested on your views with regards to Alex Thompson’s ( the man how wrote the foreword to said book ) latest C4 blog (17/9) where he states the following:
‘I have never met Mr Mac Giolla Bhain.
He was not the source for any of the major stories about Rangers Channel 4 News broke this year.
He wishes to see Rangers FC obliterated as far as I can discern.
I wish to see Rangers in the Champions League again.
Mr Mac Giolla Bhain supports Celtic. I (let me say this just one more time) don’t.
He writes about Rangers’ downfall with undisguised glee and mirth. I write, saddened for their legions of loyal fans so badly sold out by the suits.’
Seems to me that his opinion that the author ‘wishes to see Rangers FC obliterated’ and that he ‘writes about rangers’ downfall with undisguised glee and mirth’ are at stark odds with how you portray the author in your piece. Who’s right here? The editor or the man who penned the foreword?
Seems a strange contradiction don’t you think?
(I know I’m not Angela but since it is an open forum…)
“Seems to me that his opinion that the author ‘wishes to see Rangers FC obliterated’ and that he ‘writes about rangers’ downfall with undisguised glee and mirth’ are at stark odds with how you portray the author in your piece. Who’s right here? The editor or the man who penned the foreword? Seems a strange contradiction don’t you think?”
Thats the great thing about opinions. They are like arseholes, everbodys got one. For example, Neil Lennon. If you where to ask the majority of The Rangers fans, they will describe him as a horrible, angry man (and probably alot worse as well). But if you where to ask most Celtic fans, they would probably describe him as a passionate and surprisingly very articulate man.
By the way, it’s not a good move to make your argument almost invalid by quoting Alex Thomson as saying “I have never met Mr Mac Giolla Bhain.” and “He was not the source for any of the major stories about Rangers Channel 4 News broke this year.” before you reach your hypothesis.
thanks for your nonsensical response. The only part you got right was stating that you were not Angela.
“thanks for your nonsensical response. The only part you got right was stating that you were not Angela.”
Sorry, didn’t know I was on a quizshow.
So, Just to be clear. Two people can’t have differing opinions on a person? Everyone has to subscribe to the same point of view? Everyone has to have the same moral philosophy on everything?
There was me thinking we lived in a democracy. An organised society in which everone is equal and free to think what they want.
I now know that we live in a corporate sate. Thanks for putting me right.
Before I go, what do I say if asked about The Rangers result last night? That the QoS goal was offside, that big Kevin Kyle didn’t deserve to be sent off. Or what? I wouldn’t want to deviate from the party line. Who knows what would happen if I did.
Where do you start with this complete and utter drivel? Hang your heads in shame Rangers haters, you have created a monster with your bigotry, backstabbing and continual push for sectarian divisions in Scotland. Wonder if the author of this article will tell us if she attends football games? If so, what team does she support? Once again, we see another Rangers hating obsessive write about their favourite subject in life – The Rangers.
Angela you are not impartial, objective nor qualified to speak on behalf of Rangers supporters, thei views or opinions. You are part of the problem
Just who is qualified to speak about Sevco without being subjected to insults and threats by the serial complainers. Maybe you should get Leggat & Graham to do your PR. The sad thing is very few Sevconians are objective or qualified to speak about their own team and you most certainly don’t want to hear anything that deviates from the WATP mentality…hell mend you.
Phils incubator blog should be taken as a joke but the so called ‘famine song’ is racist? Wow
@Willhelm, @KW14Ultra & @Joe
(Why does one person post comments under 3 different names? You could have at least waited a bit longer between posts).
“Where do you start with this complete and utter drivel? Hang your heads in shame Rangers haters, you have created a monster with your bigotry, backstabbing and continual push for sectarian divisions in Scotland. Wonder if the author of this article will tell us if she attends football games? If so, what team does she support? Once again, we see another Rangers hating obsessive write about their favourite subject in life – The Rangers.”
The beginning is usually a good place to start from.
The only people who have “created a monster” are The Rangers fans, who bombarded The Scottish Sun with complaints because it was going to serialise ‘Downfall’.
Yes there are bigots who support Celtic. Just as there are bigots who support The Rangers, and other teams in Scotland.
Backstabbing? You believe that the people who you call “Rangers haters” where, at one point, on your side. But then turned against you?
By sectarian divisions I assume you mean Catholic schools. Well, during all my years in school, no teacher ever said “Today children, we’re going to learn how, and why, you should hate Protestants. Then tommorow, you will be learing a couple of new songs to sing”. In otherwords, why does it matter what type of school you go to?
I agree, it would make for a stronger arguement if the author of this article had first hand experience of her comments. Maybe she has.
I also agree that, whatever team she supports, might or might not affect her views. It would be funny tho, if she was a life long Rangers fan. And is now a The Rangers fan, who has been at all their games since the were founded, earlier this year.
Some people are obsessed with this new club and all the issues surrounding its current plight. Its outspoken managing director Charles Green, the nonsensical statements he makes, his previous failures at Sheffield United(Which are being almost mirrored at Ibrox). The overspending on a team playing against 9 part-time clubs in the 4th tier of Scottish Football. The inability to win away from home in the 4th tier, despite the overspending. And last, but by no means least, the fans of the new club, who are seemingly uninterested any issues raised about what’s happening. I am not one of them.
“Angela you are not impartial, objective nor qualified to speak on behalf of Rangers supporters, thei views or opinions. You are part of the problem.”
I don’t think she ever said she was impartial or objective. Neither did she disclose if she has the degree you need to speak on behalf of the Rangers supporters. What problem? People with different views and beliefs than you?
“Phils incubator blog should be taken as a joke but the so called ‘famine song’ is racist? Wow”
I have not read “Phils incubator blog”. So I have no view on that. But a song urging Irish descendants to go home because the famine, responsible for the deaths of a million people, is over, is racist.
I don’t think “The Famine” song is all that bad. It’s certainly as far as music and lyrics go a huge step forward from “Billy Boys”. Unfortunately, the horrific crime of paedophilia is not confined to the RC church.
A look at history shows the level of movement between Scotland and Ireland for over 1000 years, Dalriada, Iona, Gallowglasses and so on. (Somebody might even compose a song about the Plantations being over, it’s time to come back!) We are first cousins. Why all the division?
Maybe it’s time for working people to get out from under the landed gentry and moneyed ones who have always used, and could possibly still be using them for their own financial ends.
I note that while the 1st post author mentions ‘decent Rangers fans’ and what he thinks they think, yet fails to mention ‘decent’ celtic fans disgusted at the thought of IRA songs and Green Brigade banners being allowed to go unquestioned at Celtic Park. Typical hypocrisy from a paranoid and blinkered writer who is one of the many obsession filled celtic fans who can’t and won’t ever realise how much of a bigot they really are.
Sapphires, Emeralds & flawed Diamonds!
Never mind Leeds United! How do fans really feel about what happened to how the blue club was appallingly ran, for decades?
The green half of Glasgow, called for the ‘biscuit tin’ board to get out due to the money they squandered and filtered out the club for decades? Those were angry days that took the green club to the brink of collapse!
However, the green half got answers, as the media were only to happy to divulge, as much information in national press as they could lay their hands on. Selling newspapers was the ambition for making murray, sorry money. Green board members appearing on prime time news, answering awkward questions about the green business. That is answers! That’s why they had to go! Green fans were afforded candid detail on what was happening courtesy of a motivated media, determined to reveal the truth.
The blue half are not afforded this and are suffering because they are the ‘establishment club’. A blue friend said, he believes more about what he’s read on JFK than RFC; as the upper echelons of their support continue to tangle weave a web full of knotted, blue information. Now the blue board have gone and put an emerald (that claims to be a diamond) in charge of the sapphire media. What serious blue fan would make complaints to someone, who has all the conviction of a patsy? Not one! That’s why’s he’s there.
Is the blue side not,…Angry? Upset? Annoyed? Do you not deserve answers? Yes you do? Craig Whyte is not an answer! Leeds United, is not an answer! The EBT! The HMRC! The BBC! The FTT! The Judicial Review & The Book Depository, are all,NOT answers. They are excuses! And as any Blue and Green fan knows, there can be…NO EXCUSES !!!